Honor Dropping

[Naems]

Well, I think honor is something that must be addressed. I dont agree with how honor effects heal rate, but it is how it is. And I have lots of it. So, Im going to be working on a guide on how to drop honor effectively.


Max honor drop for the various units (No enemy units or fortifications killed):
100k warriors : 305,000 honor (8m food, 10m lumber, 5m iron)
100k scouts : 695,000 honor (12m food, 20m lumber, 15m iron)
100k arch : 1,348,000 honor (30m food, 35m lumber, 30m iron)
100k cavs : 2,840,000 honor (100m food, 60m lumber, 50m iron)
100k phracts : 8,700,000 honor (200m food, 50m lumber, 250m iron)


The amount of honor loss is based on your heal rate.
10% heal rate : Max honor drop
20% heal rate : Max honor drop
30% heal rate : 1/2 max honor drop
40% heal rate : 1/3 max honor drop
50% heal rate : 1/4 max honor drop
*Note - the honor drop per heal rate works fractionally. Example, if your opponent has 1.9x the amount of honor you have (giving you 30% heal rate, see table below) you will not get the 1/2 max honor drop. You will receive closer to 1/3 the max honor drop. The game considers you to have a 39% heal rate here, for the sake of honor dropping.

2. Honor vs Heal rate:

Player 1 is offense
Player 2 is defense

P1 has less than 10% of P2's honor -> P1 heals 50%, P2 10%
P1 has between 10%-50% of P2's honor -> P1 heals 40%, P2 heals 20%
P1 has between 50% - 2x P2's honor -> Both heal 30%
P1 has between 2x-10x P2's honor -> P1 heals 20%, P2 heals 40%
P1 has more than 10x P2's honor -> P1 heals 10%, P2 heals 50%

Conclusion:

It is best to drop honor on someone who has between 10% - 50% the amount of honor you have, so as to receive the most efficient honor drop per unit.


*Theory, scouts dont move on defense. If you have 5 mil scouts for example, at one city with no fortifications and no other troops, you could have a friend attack these scouts with a small number of archers. Battle will last 100 rounds, so he wont win, and therefore lose no troops and gain no honor. You meanwhile will drop alot of honor by losing alot of scouts. However, burdening your opponents with honor is a very effective tactic

Credits:
DCJerboa for information regarding the relation of honor drop to heal rate, and additional information about using scouts
Eriicoza, my friendly neighbour who has been the unwilling guinea pig for all of my tests
Melri, for the information regarding heal rates

[Mosbiac]

I have noticed difference on how much honor is dropped depending on the targets honor.

I bombed a player with around 7 mill honor, while I had 2 mill.
I lost under 200k honor, hit the walls.

Then bombed a player with 0 honor, while I had around 1,7 mill honor after bombing couple of times on the 7 mill honor player.
This lead to around 500k honor loss, and it hit the walls.

Other time I bombed a player I knew was online to dump honor 160k honor lost, then bombed same player while he was offline and hit the archers, but lost 160k honor aswell, the player had around 6 mill honor more than me.

[Naems]

So the more honor you have, in comparison to your target, the more honor you lose? AKA, the worse your heal rate, the more honor you lose?

I have noticed similar things happening when I've scout bombed people. But I wasnt sure if it was different heroes, different number of troops killed, etc. Ill update it more as I find more out

[Vatter]

I noticed something similar, so the resources lost/resources killed after heal might be what determines the honor lost.

[DCJerboa]

see PM for golden info re honor purging

Scouts are king of honor purging. You should never use any other unit.

Oh... and no... the respective honor of two individuals when purging honor between each other is ::MODEDIT:: under investigation ::MODEDIT::.

[thierryd]

see PM for golden info re honor purging

Scouts are king of honor purging. You should never use any other unit.

hey DC can you forward that PM to me please

[Dynamic]

I have 1.6m honor.. sent 3 scout bombs that hits ATs only, lost 600k total, so Mosbiac might be on to something

[Dynamic]

see PM for golden info re honor purging

Scouts are king of honor purging. You should never use any other unit.

I would like that too

[Entropy]

I agree with DC J - and attacking people's cities is not the best way to purge honor.

Think where scouts don't fight - now come up with a scenario where you could lose all your scouts and kill none - therefore purging max honor.

[Expert]

Why doesnt anyone like honor...its a symbol that you can either defend yourself of hit people well