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Thread: A Note on Freedom of Speech

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    Brent,

    If Evony feels they would like to keep their sites safe(er) for children and others who take offense to bad language, or from stuff like spam hate etc. then they should. Also, they do make the rules here, they allow us to play their (admittedly addicting) game, and we should, in return, follow their rules. Is that to much to ask? If you REALLY want to swear, their IS a censored emoticon in the options. I use that often. And come on, do you need to trip over free speech on a game forum? Unless this is the only communication you ever have, than no. If the it IS the only communication you ever have, i really, really pity you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeadKnightS2 View Post
    Brent,

    If Evony feels they would like to keep their sites safe(er) for children and others who take offense to bad language, or from stuff like spam hate etc. then they should. Also, they do make the rules here, they allow us to play their (admittedly addicting) game, and we should, in return, follow their rules. Is that to much to ask? If you REALLY want to swear, their IS a censored emoticon in the options. I use that often. And come on, do you need to trip over free speech on a game forum? Unless this is the only communication you ever have, than no. If the it IS the only communication you ever have, i really, really pity you.
    have to agree... brent take a page out of my book you want to punch the wall or something or one on your ps3 and scream at everyone and then say i have had a bad day sorry, but evony do make the rules and we must follow them...
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    Well we don't have to follow them, but if we want to play the game then, yeah, we should chose to follow them.
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    You have every right to say what you want up to but not including what you voluntarily gave up when you agreed to the terms of use. Notice I said voluntarily? If you are here or are playing evony, you agreed to have your rights limited, therefore are bound to said limitations.

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    I am impressed by not only the willingness of a staff member to start a thread about site policy, but also the willingness to leave it open to comment.

    And he is absolutely right.
    Nothing about the Constitution applies to these or any forums except the established right to create them, staff them and manage them as the owner wishes.

    I am long time Private Forums Mod/Admin, (Private being a key descriptor.) and the rules and policies of this site, very closely reflect those of the sites I have helped manage. They are very reasonable. They encourage common decency and respect by and to the participants. It is nothing all that different than we would expect of a guest in our own homes.
    Even though these forums are publicly available and members of the public are invited and encouraged to participate, all forums are privately owned.
    That means any person who chooses to enter and participate is an invited guest. Conditional to that invitation to join here is that each guest agrees to abide by site rules and policies prior to being admitted as a member. No one is forced to join. No one is forced to participate. Therefore no one should think they have any right to lie about their agreement to conduct themselves in a decent and respectful manner, or to lie about their agreement to censor their own discussions to remain within the boundaries set by the staff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austerly View Post
    I am impressed by not only the willingness of a staff member to start a thread about site policy, but also the willingness to leave it open to comment.

    And he is absolutely right.
    Nothing about the Constitution applies to these or any forums except the established right to create them, staff them and manage them as the owner wishes.

    I am long time Private Forums Mod/Admin, (Private being a key descriptor.) and the rules and policies of this site, very closely reflect those of the sites I have helped manage. They are very reasonable. They encourage common decency and respect by and to the participants. It is nothing all that different than we would expect of a guest in our own homes.
    Even though these forums are publicly available and members of the public are invited and encouraged to participate, all forums are privately owned.
    That means any person who chooses to enter and participate is an invited guest. Conditional to that invitation to join here is that each guest agrees to abide by site rules and policies prior to being admitted as a member. No one is forced to join. No one is forced to participate. Therefore no one should think they have any right to lie about their agreement to conduct themselves in a decent and respectful manner, or to lie about their agreement to censor their own discussions to remain within the boundaries set by the staff.
    Agreed. It's also like entering an amusement park: though you did pay to get access to the rides and other amenities, it doesn't entitle you to harass the staff or wreck the park's facilities. Plus, they also have all the right to reject your entrance and/or to escort you out of the park.

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    There will always be *children* who think they have the right to ruin everyone else's good time. Nice to see the staff prevent that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BrentL View Post
    I often read threads but until now have never commented.

    It can easily be seen through United States Supreme Court rulings that Freedom of Speech does not allow for people to say or do whatever they want. Such as child ****ography. However the stated message of Evony staff regarding the United States Constitution couldn't be any more false. The United States Constitution first of all is to be taken in whole text and not certain pieces that one thinks justifies their argument. Secondly, there are numerous Supreme Court Rulings that clearly explain that the First Amendment is not limited to Congress. Also in the rulings it is clearly explains that no person or group of persons may take away ones right to free speech. Most importantly the United States Supreme Court is the deciding authority on the United States Constitution.
    The statement is not false. It merely points out the relevant parts of the of the law. It does not deny the rest by omitting it. Evony has the right to deny access to their forums to players that don't follow their terms, up to and including blocking or deleting offensive language used by a user, removing offensive images, etc...They can ban players and posters alike. It is the same as an editor pulling a story from a newspaper. The paper has the right to decide what it places out there for the public to see. Evony has the right to decide what content is or is not appropriate for their website, and their game too. So freedom of speech does NOT apply when arguing one can say what one wishes on Evony.

    On the flipside, if an organization called...uh..."Evilly" had gay-bashing messages, and hatemongering themes as part of it's everyday content (say...owned by Nazis or something) Congress could not legally shut it down for said messages, necessarily. (This is an extreme hypothetical, not meant to offend, just to clarify.) Said Nazi organization would be able to ban those that posted opposing beliefs.

    Nothing in the constitution says that an organization has to allow, or post everything and anything in their own domain. Thank God.
    Last edited by Kaibert; 07-14-2010 at 06:05 PM.

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    Default wrong again...

    although evony has the right to "make the rules" on what said i do agree with most of them .... there opperating in each country in the world and need to not step on the rights of the person in that country. the us for instance has a law that says if u buy tabbacco on the web from anywhere u need to pay taxes on the tabbacco in your country cause the point of sale isnt in china, russia or where ever its where the person with the computer made contact from... that being said evony must abide by the us constitution cause they dont contact u u contact them which sets the trans action in the us and falls under all us laws

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    Evony does not have to abide by all the laws of every country of the world. We are a US company, our game and forums are on US servers, and we abide by US laws. The US laws are very clear that we are entitled to restrict access to our private property, and to regulate what occurs on said private property.

    It is EXACTLY the same as if you entered a supermarket and began shouting racist epithets, anti-supermarket propaganda, or holding a witch-burning in aisle 4. They have the right to tell you that you may not do that on their premises, and to ask you to leave. Should you fail to abide by their requests, they can kick you out and tell you not to come back. Should you fail to leave, they can have the police remove you. Should you come back anyways, they can then have you arrested for trespassing. While we do not go so far in most cases as to contact law enforcement, we can and will protect the integrity of our domain.

    Visiting a forum is not a purchase transaction involving taxes, so your analogy is flawed. And if your country or locality thinks that our website is in discord with their statutes, they are welcome to block your access to our site. We, however, are under no obligation to bow to the laws of Upper-Northeast Borinslavia's Chamber of Commerce, or any other jurisdiction we do not reside in.

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