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    NPCs vs. Ballistas

    Here a nearly completed guide on how to farm NPCs and how many troops (Ballistas) you will need to succed.

    NPC Level 1
    75 Transporters
    Archery L7
    10 ballistae
    Archery L8
    10 ballistae
    Archery L9
    10 ballistae
    Archery L10
    10 ballistae

    Using lower-level attack heroes (like 27) may have ballistas losses.

    Using fewer ballistas (like 9) can result in a loss
    http://battle14.evony.com/default.ht...cd3c4908d1.xml

    I can hit NPC level1 with 32 Ballistas & 50 transporters with 0 losses

    Battle link for proof=>
    battlew15.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090807/54/8c/548cee6b2cfd1601883f038eedda6623.xml

    Hero attack level=>
    59

    Archery level=>
    Level 9

    Horseback Riding Level
    Level 8
    NPC Level 2
    80 Transporters
    Archery L6
    200 Ballistas
    Military Tradition: 6, Iron Working: 5, Horseback Riding: 4, Logistics: 4
    Archery L7
    42 Ballistas
    http://battle22.evony.com/default.ht...ad0af64d93.xml

    114 Ballistas (54 Transporters)
    battle50.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090915/1d/f2/1df2bf78ce8c54f0788e785dcb27f553.xml
    Archery L8

    24 Ballistae
    http://battle18.evony.com/default.ht...85573a3455.xml
    Aug 06, 2009

    http://battle23.evony.com/default.ht...4321f21681.xml
    Archery L9
    20 ballistas:
    hero attack 69
    horseback riding: 9
    military tradition: 8
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...ef5f9990be.xml

    Archery L10
    ?
    NPC Level 3
    Archery L6
    101 ballistas, horseback riding 1, 27.07.09
    http://battlew17.evony.com/default.h...9e22cd2e20.xml
    Archery L7
    101 ballistas, horseback riding 1, 26.07.09
    http://battlew17.evony.com/default.h...33a57383d3.xml

    180 Ballista, Horseback Riding 5, Hero attack 86, 2009-08-03
    http://battle27.evony.com/default.ht...c60aea1422.xml

    193 ballistae, horseback riding L5 or 6
    http://battle22.evony.com/default.ht...240a80e8ef.xml
    Took 67 rounds

    I have archery level 7

    Below is a successful no-loss attack with only 181 ballista. This should help you in your search for a "sweet-spot". So it must be somewhere between 171 and 181...

    battle43.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090815/bc/67/bc67e13f7d9eada4a51426b82bc61bea.xml


    200 ballistae, horseback riding L8
    Confirmed Jun 28, 2009
    Since the recent patch limits the rounds of a fight to 100, the number of ballistae needed for a lvl 3 is between 171-200.


    200 ballistas, horseback riding L5, hero attack 73, military tradition L7, iron work L4
    Jul 21, 2009
    -Won Battle-
    battlew15.evony.com/default.html?logfile/c3/56/fb/0e/c356fb0ef3fff3e2f5c42497efe4d02c.xml
    Archery L8
    120 ballistae, hero attack 122

    150 ballistae, horseback riding L5, hero attack 30

    Proof Jul 09 2009
    http://battle15.evony.com/default.ht...e6065f65ea.xml
    Archery L9
    110 Ballistas:
    Hero attack 78, Horseback riding lvl 9,military tradition lvl 8.
    July 24th,2009
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...af67f8f7c8.xml
    Archery L10
    ?
    NPC Level 4
    460 Transporters
    Archery L7
    234 Ballistae (lost 18 Ballistae!)
    Hero Attack 80
    Horseback Riding LEvel 5

    Proof @ 09/16/2009
    battle50.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090916/22/eb/22eb2ad2690585d2a174beff5525b069.xml

    295 Ballistae
    Hero Attack 100
    HorseBack Riding lvl 6

    July 4 2009 Proof
    http://battle18.evony.com/default.ht...cd6f7366d5.xml
    Aug 5 2009
    350 ballistae
    Hero Attack 131, Metal Casting Lv 7, Horseback Riding Lv 6, Logistics Lv 5

    Jun 24 2009 Proof
    http://battle12.evony.com/default.ht...99e9f1febd.xml


    500 Ballistae
    Hero Attack
    Horseback Riding Level 5

    Proof @ 05/08/2009
    battle18.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090805/33/de/33de89177a2bf0c22f4b73d9bc8f9c1e.xml
    Archery L8
    210 ballistae, hero attack 70, horseback riding 5
    Jul 27 2009 proof
    http://battlew13.evony.com/default.h...857b3fcaaf.xml

    2009-08-02
    270 ballistae, HBR 3, Hero Attack 79

    300 ballistas, horseback riding 6
    http://battlew15.evony.com/default.h...34b6761c3e.xml
    Archery L9
    150 ballistas, hero attack 84, horseback riding 9, military tradition 8
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...1b23621105.xml

    145 Ballistae, Hero attack: 106, HBR: 8, MT: 8, IW: 8, Med: 7
    http://battle24.evony.com/default.ht...2d8b64cf32.xml

    102 Ballistae, Hero attack: 107, HBR: 8, MT: 8, IW: 9, Med: 7
    http://battle24.evony.com/default.ht...caeb994f8b.xml
    Archery L10
    ?
    NPC Level 5
    Use 760 transporters

    Horseback riding 8 is recommended at this point to have 0 losses
    Archery L7
    600 Ballistae

    http://battle24.evony.com/default.ht...c0cc82b7d4.xml
    Military Tradition: 6
    Iron Working: 7
    Archery: 8
    Horseback Riding: 5
    Medicine: 5
    Hero's attack: 70+
    Archery L8
    2009-08-02 -- I attacked a lv 5 NPC city and LOST:
    753 Ballistae, Archery Lv 8, Horseback Lv 9, Hero attack 92
    http://battle26.evony.com/default.ht...6419fe8b68.xml

    2009-08-03 -- LOST!
    Hero Attack 80, HorseBack Riding 9, everything else lvl 7 or higher
    http://battle22.evony.com/default.ht...259a1a0010.xml
    This is the 3d attack similar to this, all with 570+ . . . . I guess I just don't learn.

    July 16, 2009 -- I lost. Here are the stats:
    563 Ballistae
    Hero attack 93
    Horseback riding 8
    Life 6 (all other training at 7 or higher)
    Link: http://battle22.evony.com/default.ht...a50030c77f.xml
    Not sure why this didn't work for me; would appreciate any insights.... (Bootscum, server 22)
    *It has been rumored that Horseback Riding level 7 and 8 have an issue that cause losses. It is suggested to have level 9 HBR.

    July 20 -- this time I won, but with Archery L9. Here are the stats:
    400 Ballistae
    Hero attack 98 (level 32)
    Archery 9
    Horseback riding 9
    All other relevant training at 7 or higher
    Link: http://battle22.evony.com/default.ht...f8e059c0b8.xml

    Jul 14, 2009
    350 ballistae
    Horseback riding 5
    Medical 6
    Military tradition 8
    Iron working 6
    Hero attack 95 (anything less than 95 and I started getting losses)

    Jul 1, 2009
    700 ballistae
    Horseback riding 5
    Hero attack 100

    Between 3001-5000 ballistae

    Jun 28, 2009 with 3000 ballistae and 227 losses
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...e3c77c2806.xml

    Jun 28, 2009 with 5000 ballistae and 0 losses
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...c561c86da6.xml

    Jul 26, 2009
    500 ballistas
    Hoseback Riding lvl 6
    Hero attack 86

    http://battlew15.evony.com/default.h...729c499764.xml

    Aug 07, 2009
    616 ballistas
    Hoseback Riding lvl 6
    Hero attack 131

    http://battle23.evony.com/default.ht...378bd968b4.xml
    Archery L9
    Both of these done by myself, Nannis, so all other tech the same: (this was done to test hero attack factor)

    380 ballistae, hero attack 103
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...a9ef3a2b07.xml

    380 ballistae, hero attack 17, lost 24 ballistae
    http://battle10.evony.com/default.ht...2db534869a.xml

    Proof
    http://battle18.evony.com/default.ht...966e2b4643.xml

    See also above: Archery L8 loss and then Archery L9 win

    Archery L10
    400 ballistae, horseback riding L9 (only increases mechanics & cavalry movement speed)

    Jun 21, 2009 Proof
    http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...3398a60868.xml
    August 11, 2009
    390 Ballistae, Horseback riding L9, Hero with 122 attack, no losses.
    NPC Level 6
    At level 6 Defensive Trebuchet come into play. It is unlikely that you will succeed without ballistae causalities.
    Archery L9
    Jun 30, 2009: 4982 ballistae, hero attack 104, 303 losses
    battle10.evony.com/default.html?logfile/f4/d3/d2/48/f4d3d248c2709dd236e7122414c89a6f.xml

    Jul 25, 2009: 1100 catapults, hero attack 106, 143 lost. All research at lvl10.
    battlew4.evony.com/default.html?logfile/33/a9/82/88/33a98288493c3c864283e02c7866ee7f.xml
    Battle went 47 rounds.

    Hope you are happy with this guide and say thank you or anything,
    just leave a comment

    Your BenMcQueen

    Server WN4

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    once again here we go

    I would like to get everything about NPC cities in 1 thread because i am too lazy to bookmark or search for anything ... this what I will type here is completely copied from previous threads ... so i hope that i don't make anyone angry.. If so please PM and I will delete it ....

    1. BUILDING NPC CITY
    If you want your own NPC city you can build it by this way - conquer valley of level X ... build your new city in that spot ... go to another city you have, click main building - cities- abandon your new created city... now the city of level X will be ready for farming / conquering.

    2. RESOURCES/TROOPS/DEFENSE
    NPC city resources are replenish each 8 hrs, a barb city will take approx 1 hour to regenerate all to full (10% of the full amount per 6 minute tick). A barb city will also immediately regenerate approx 18% of all lost wall units each time some are destroyed. Example: if you destroyed 1000 towers and hit it again 1 second later 180 towers will be back.




    (copied from ZORTHOX thanks)

    3. ATTACKING
    Attacking low lvl NPC cities are mainly for resource and gold, this is done with ballistas to achieve 0 loses. The maximum level without loses is level 5, level 6 or more have trebuchets so you will always suffer losses there.
    But there are ARCHER TOWERS... so you need specific tech level of archery and Horseback Riding (HBR).

    Archery 08 / HBR 03 (Massive losses due to being in tower range)
    Archery 08 / HBR 04 (Smalls losses from units but @ tower safe range)
    Archery 08 / HBR 05 (0 Losses )
    Archery 08 / HBR 06 (0 Losses )
    Archery 08 / HBR 07 ( Small losses )
    Archery 08 / HBR 08 (Massive losses due to being in tower range)
    Archery 08 / HBR 09 (Massive losses due to being in tower range.)

    Archery 09 / HBR 01 (Small losses from units but @ tower safe range)
    Archery 09 / HBR 02 (0 Losses when using over 575 ballistas )
    Archery 09 / HBR 03 (0 Losses )
    Archery 09 / HBR 05 (Small losses from units but @ tower safe range)
    Archery 09 / HBR 06 (Small losses from units but @ tower safe range)
    Archery 09 / HBR 07 (Small losses from units @ tower safe range)
    Archery 09 / HBR 08 (0 Losses )
    Archery 09 / HBR 09 (0 Losses )



    Archery 10 / HBR 0 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 05 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 06 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 07 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 08 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 09 (0 Losses )
    Archery 10 / HBR 10 (0 Losses )

    (copied from syoganai1111 thanks)

    4. NUMBER OF BALISTAS TO ATTACK
    This number depends on your hero ATTACK attribute, the safe numbers for heroes with no attack with 0 loses are:
    (Note: You still need one of the above zero loss Archery/HBR combinations)

    20 Ballistas vs Lvl1 NPC
    50 Ballistas vs Lvl2 NPC
    170 Ballistas vs Lvl3 NPC
    250 Ballistas vs Lvl4 NPC
    550 Ballistas vs Lvl5 NPC

    DONT FORGET TO HAVE RIGHT AMOUNT OF TRANSPORTERS!! they are similar to ballistas numbers so be sure that if you want farm you will take everything.

    In previous thread you saw lvl of HBR/ARCH if there is small losses due to troops, number of ballistas should be higher.

    Okay this is end, hope that there is everything important about farming... i don't mention medals because there have different drop rates on every server, and i don't mentioned tactics about LVL10, everyone should conquer it on their own.

    So i hope that this one helps, thanks to everyone who was making these strategies, I only copied them in one big thread.

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    There already are guides for these things..

    The best one (in my opinion) is this one:
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=42643

    It also much more easy to read than the ones in this thread ..


    Besides, the number of transporters mention in the first post aren't right.
    They depend on the level of Logistics and the distance toward you target... So they can vary
    +Rep me if I was helpfull, correct me if I wasn't, msg me if you want to


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    That is very confusing, couldn't you collate it into a s/s like this one?
    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=42643
    good work though, i couldn't be bothered to do all that.

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    There already a guide for this please search the forums before you make a guide to make sure its not a clone topic...http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=47386
    Retired Writer Dude

    "People can be whoever they want on the internet, but so many choose to be dumb."

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    Wow.. yet another ballistas VS NPC thread.. lol


    AT THE END OF THE DAY.. EVERYBODY HAS DIFFERENT TECH'S RESEARCHED.. YOU CANNOT BASE THESE UNTIL YOU HAVE EVERYTHING RESEARCHED. THEN THE NUMBERS ARE SOLID.

    THERES FAR TOO MANY VARIABLES IN THIS GAME..

    what a waste of my time.. i want my 3 minutes back

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    battle69.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090930/37/1b/371bca7959f42251fff3eb03d5d7e8ea.xml

    lvl 5 npc

    691 balista

    archery lvl 7

    hero lvl 21 with 81 attack

    totaly loose

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    benv99.... archery 7 means ballista range is 1890...
    lvl 5 npc has lvl 5 walls and lvl 5 archery... meaning Archer Tower range is 1950

    your ballistas had to get into archer tower range to do any dmg whatsoever.... in doing so, your ballistas got the carp beat out of them

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    Default Don't waste your archers

    you only need to supplement the NPC 5 attack with WORKERS so that the concentration of the enemies attack is on them and not your ballistas.

    you need at least 3000k warriors (you will lose all of them and no ballista losses... i found that 350 is enough at 80 attack level) with exchange in high prestige and all their supplies -- that is if you brought 425 transporters with you.

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    There's already a thread about this... and one that's much more organized and easier to filter through:

    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=42643

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