Debate: Is man relatively Good or Evil?

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Originally Posted by imnothere

thats the sillist logic i have ever seen, i'm sorry but it is. if everyone keeps claiming there is room for everyone in heaven then logicly there must be room for everyone in hell too.

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you didnt get the logic here bro heaven and hell at the same size but hell will be more crowded so not enough room but there will be few people in heaven so more place there:)
think it like that people would that world be a better place without mankind?
would oceans be more clear?
would there be more animals living in their ecosystems peacifully?
would there be more forests?
more birds singing?
whales happily traveling oceans?..etc
anything good is from God,anything bad is from humans
anything that God created as beatiful and good,will be destroyed by humans

(EDIT:I dont think these are religious but mystical stuff I tried to put it that way but if I couldnt mods can delete these)

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Originally Posted by Tsubasa

you didnt get the logic here bro heaven and hell at the same size but hell will be more crowded so not enough room but there will be few people in heaven so more place there:)

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I have no idea where you got that logic, but the Bible clearly states that Heaven and Hell are not on the physical planes. They are infinite. Sorry to burst your bubble, but with that philosophy, you're goin' down under.

Now can we get off of religion? Please?

the concept of good and evil is spiritual and religous anyways

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Originally Posted by SunTzu123

the concept of good and evil is spiritual and religous anyways

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Yes, and if you keep quoting Hindi scripture, it's going to result in a ban. Having this thread talk about good and evil isn't.

so joemanf your whole thread circulates around religion. Almost everyone posted something about religion like when they were talking about adam and eve and the apple and sin

Yes, YES, YEEEEESSSSSSS (No offense, but I hate religion... I got F at my religion test!)

How can we say that man is evil? Many of the arguments here are that we kill eachothers, but show ONE type off a predator who doesn't. It is in our nature, like it is in all predators nature. And how can we say we are good? Here do we say that we can love eachother, but so do all non-predators+some predators.

Its a lot eaiser than you guys realize to share your veiws without mentioning religion. I've managed to do it fairly easily.

arm the whole concept of good and evil is based on religon. Without religon there would be no concept of good and evil

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Originally Posted by SunTzu123

so joemanf your whole thread circulates around religion. Almost everyone posted something about religion like when they were talking about adam and eve and the apple and sin

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At least they did it indirectly, and said it was only a story. But you're just bluntly putting down scripture, which will end up with this thread closed. I will not allow it.

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Originally Posted by armbarchris

Its a lot eaiser than you guys realize to share your veiws without mentioning religion. I've managed to do it fairly easily.

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Thank you.

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Originally Posted by LaoOmologo

Yes, YES, YEEEEESSSSSSS (No offense, but I hate religion... I got F at my religion test!)

How can we say that man is evil? Many of the arguments here are that we kill eachothers, but show ONE type off a predator who doesn't. It is in our nature, like it is in all predators nature. And how can we say we are good? Here do we say that we can love eachother, but so do all non-predators+some predators.

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eagles dont kill each other,there is no rape in animals
most of the fights in the same species ends up without kill
and animals kill other animals just for food also there are other animals who cant kill animals but have to eat so these predators also provide food to them
men are evil my final words here

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Originally Posted by Tsubasa

eagles dont kill each other,there is no rape in animals
most of the fights in the same species ends up without kill
and animals kill other animals just for food also there are other animals who cant kill animals but have to eat so these predators also provide food to them
men are evil my final words here

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Yes, but animals DO rape. Not all spieces of course, but some do. 90% of all monkeys do. (It feels like dogs do too, xD)

actually alot of species kill each other. One example are ants they kill each other all the time

The thing about other animals, compared to humans, is that we don't normally judge their behaviour as good or evil, because we see it as their natural behaviour (because they have no awareness of good or evil?). The rare exceptions to this is usually when an animal harms a human being. Then some people are very quick to judge.

I really think that when we judge others, we are judging their actions and intentions from our own viewpoints and so our judgements are based upon our own mindset as well. It's difficult to explain, because it is never clear-cut but if we are the type of person who wants much more than we have and are prepared to do almost anything to get it, when we see someone who has something we want, we would probably believe that that person has the same mindset as us and probably did do those things (or similar) that we would be prepared to do.

Mass media has a lot to do with our world views as well. Television and films are filled with stories of crimes and violence. This is not because the world is filled with crimes and violence but because those stories are dramatic and exciting. Stories of ordinary people living ordinary lives are not dramatic or exciting and so they don't get told. Most people live ordinary, boring lives, raising a family and earning a living but who wants to watch a 2 hour movie about that? So we need to try to not make real world judgements based upon what we see on the screen, because that is not the truth. Even news and current affairs are biased towards the sensational aspects, simply to get people to watch.

We are all born a clean slate in my eyes. A blank sheet waiting to be changed. We grow up and our mind learns, and by that time we grow personalities. We're all different, but we all started off the same.

I wouldn't say I'm an Atheist, but religion has nothing to do with the topic of Good and Evil.

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Originally Posted by SunTzu123

Yudhishthira said: I desire, O bull of Bharata?s race, to hear in detail the source from which sin proceeds and the foundation upon which it rests.

Bhishma said: Hear, O King, what the foundation is of sin. Covetousness alone is a great destroyer of merit and goodness. From covetousness proceeds sin. It is from this source that sin and irreligiousness flow, together with great misery. This covetousness is the spring of also all the cunning and hypocrisy in the world. It is covetousness that makes men commit sin. From covetousness proceeds wrath; from covetousness flows lust, and it is from covetousness that loss of judgment, deception, pride, arrogance, and malice, as also vindictiveness, loss of prosperity, loss of virtue, anxiety, and infamy spring. Miserliness, cupidity, desire for every kind of improper act, pride of birth, pride of learning, pride of beauty, pride of wealth, pitilessness for all creatures, malevolence towards all, mistrust in respect of all, insincerity towards all, appropriation of other people?s wealth, ravishment of other people?s wives, harshness of speech, anxiety, propensity to speak ill of others, violent craving for the indulgence of lust, gluttony, liability to premature death, violent propensity towards malice, irresistible liking for falsehood, unconquerable appetite for indulging in passions, insatiable desire for indulging in ear, evil-speaking, boa****lness, arrogance, non-doing of duties, rashness, and perpetration of every kind of evil act,- all these proceed from covetousness.

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are you useing this quote to state that man is or is not evil? it could be read ether way, and i'm curious to know which argument you mean to suport with it.

joe i know you asked it not be quoted but the bible has been quoted often enough that if we dont alowe other religous books to be quoted it would raise the feelings of unfairness that make religon a banned topic.

yes people I know animals sometimes rape,or kill each other or become cannibals
but they dont know the right or wrong
if a 18 months old baby kills his mom baby isnot arrested because he doesnt know yet
even they dont know animals have lower crime ratio than humans who can differ right or wrong
you may say 'hey we have laws and cops so we are good also'
no these law enforcement is there not because we think its good not to hurt each other
because we don't want to get hurt
people are basically selfish,greedy,money worshipper creatures
they have tools to become good but they dont want to use them
to sum up;people are evil

EDIT:if someone says a silly philosophy that doesnt necessarily mean that guy has a silly philosophy that just shows that guy wanted to make a silly comment
what I do really believe is people shouldnt care about 'size' of Hell or Heaven,but which side they will be
/end of mysticisim