And by 'war', I mean offensive war, because otherwise absolutely everyone would bring up WWII.
So, is there ever a justifiable reason to attack a country, other than that its military forces have struck at yours?
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And by 'war', I mean offensive war, because otherwise absolutely everyone would bring up WWII.
So, is there ever a justifiable reason to attack a country, other than that its military forces have struck at yours?
Pride in country~Nationalism
Imperialism
Bored
Resources
To fight the good fight
to fix a slight on you or country
Do you ever, EVER attempt to proofread your idiotic thoughts before you spew them at everyone within range? How about you go and read the thread title again, then create a serious answer?
THe only reason to go to war is to make money(resources for your self)
IT's like Pirates and the longer a life of a pirate with out gold or booty or rum the meaner and more daring they get and look for bigger risks vs. reward pay offs, there was a time (The sage Kings Area) When wars were fought with Honor and grace but, some people came along and said thats stupid and put an end to it, I even heard a President say once "Well If Caesar crossed the rubicon to help his empire we'll cross any nations border to do the same", hmm THus always to Tyrants comes to mind.
Oh Wait to Answer your Question NO
THere will never be a good reason to go to war just Ignorance and Selfishness Until humanity learns to function with out it.:dizzy:
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Originally Posted by Axer NZ
How about you **** and realize what i posted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axer NZ
I actually didnt try to troll or derail the thread.
I gave several reasons from the standpoints of the country doing the attacking.
Nationalism~America threatened countries to **** out America at times
Imperialism~people fight to get the best territories
Bored~probably the only one that can be considered idiotic
Resources~what you call the colonization of Africa?
To fight the good fight~Sparta
to fix a slight on you or country~Alexander the Great
Just because i didnt elaborate on my suggestions doesnt mean they are idiotic.
you really should not flame anyone just because they arent perfect or meeting your standards.
Heh... riiiiiiiight. Sure you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost101
Yes, you did list a bunch of reasons that countries go to war. However, NONE of them are morally justifiable. Perhaps you didn't elaborate because you realized that, below the first, tiny layer of sense, there's just a whole lot of BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost101
you wanted to know if war was justifiable, i gave you some points from the standpoints of the attacker, not the observer. Of course its all bs, but countries still use those excuses to wage a war. Maybe you should be a bit more specific in that you want us to take the standpoint of the observer, as a historian, nothing else.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axer NZ
So now that my little friend has listed most of the bad reasons to make war on another country, perhaps we should think about this seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost101
Perhaps the only good reason to start a war against another country is to implement a regime change but only under certain circumstances. The circumstances I am thinking of is those rare occasions where the current regime is slaughtering large numbers of it's own population due to racial, religious or philosophical motivation or simply because the country is in the control of a mad tyrant who rules through terror.
Some instances of this in recent times are Pol Pott in Cambodia and perhaps Saddam Hussein in Iraq. Even then it is a risky business as removing a ruling group can create a power vacuum that may be filled by another group that may also be seen as undesirable, or, as in the case of Iraq, could create an ongoing conflict that turns the liberators into an occupying army, which then loses popular support in the country that you were trying to help.
Real war is a risky business and the consequences are severe if there is a poor outcome. Sorry to mention WWII but in that case, even a successful outcome cost the victors so much that Great Britain was still rationing food 10 years after the war was over. Making war, even for the best of motives has to be a last resort, after all other options have been exhausted. We live in a global community now. The age of empire building is long gone.
The only time a war would be justifiable, besides being attacked and going on D, would probably be a threat trowards one country.
Lets say country A has some kind of powerful weaponry, and issues threats to use on country B if they do not follow commands issued by A.
In my opinion that would be a justifiable reason for Country b to go to war with Country A.
(A and B only used to not start some kind of conspiracy...)
It might be for the defense of ones country., but it's still taking the offensive.
Seriously?Quote:
Originally Posted by Axer NZ
i'm sorry, but even standing here from my n00blike 170ish posts, i can tell when someone is flaming without paying attention.
Ghost is completely right.
Also, i think i should now flag your post.
:mad:
The OP asked for justifiable reasons to start an unprovoked war, not just a list of poor excuses for going to war.
Ghost had better comments then anyone else here so far (except maybe about being bored). Those are all the reasons countries go to war, other than being provoked/attacked or to help allies.
Get rid of morality argument. We're talking about war after all.
War, in my opinion, is just another part of life. Extermination is the name, think about genocide. War is just another way the most able and fit get to pass on their genes. Whoever wins gets the right to survive (there are no such things as human rights or equality).
Ghost brought up valid reasons. Don't know why you guys are so ****y.
Thank you, ski, for actually posting valid thoughts and ideas instead of getting ****** at other peoples reasons.
I agree with ski,
It is entirely justifiable, but that is based on who is believing it :)
Simalrally, (yes i know i cant spell it right) healthcare is stopping human evolution.
Medicine in general ruins humanity. The weak live on and have children which in turn they have children. If medicine evolves then this wouldn't be a problem.Quote:
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Plus, all the antibiotics and crap we've made has only made more super-diseases.
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Pride in country~Nationalism
Imperialism
Bored
Resources
To fight the good fight
to fix a slight on you or country
Going to war for national pride is no longer a justifiable reason. As I said, we live in a global community now.
Imperialism is just another name for empire building. Those days are gone as well and it is not a justifiable reason to go to war.
Bored is just ridiculous.
Going to war for resources is poor logic in the modern world as war is a resource user and the resources probably would have been available through trade anyway. This is not a justifiable reason.
"To fight the good fight" is just too vague and open to different interpretations to be justifiable.
"To fix a slight to your country" ???? Are we all 10 years old? Sorry this is not a justifiable reason to go to war.
Any furthur trolling, err, I mean questions?
Response to OP: No.
They may not be justifiable, but thats what people do. As for resources, if a big country is picking on a little country they can take in a week then it won't take much to win the war. Plus some countries need more than others are willing to give them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodri
^ Then I direct you to the question asked by the OP again.
So, is there ever a justifiable reason to attack a country, other than that its military forces have struck at yours?
Anything else is just off topic.
Answer to OP: Justifiability is in the eye of the beholder, to the attackers, the war may be perfectly justifiable, to everyone else, hell no.
Examples of this could be Vietnam and Korea (To stop the spread of Communism). That reason, which may have been perfectly justifiable in the minds of the leaders of the US, isn't a good reason at all.
Henceforth, my answer is no. Also, the only other type of war that ~could~ be explained away is civil war, which was created to stop the oppression of a tyrannical government, but that wouldn't exactly meet the question that was being asked would it?
I think that the Civil War would be the best thing to debate this question on...
Both parties (the North and the South) had provoked each other for years before actually going to war with each other...
I can give you a perfect example of justified war - Genocide.
If the target country is slaughtering people, then I sure as hell hope that a bigger, stronger country comes in and smacks the hell out of them with a war. It is the job of the strong to protect the weak, if you give a darn about any kind of moral high ground.
This is about a foreign power attacking another country, not civil war.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jurnis
Very good point, I hadn't even thought about genocide when I made my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rota
if the age of empire building is gone then why are you playing this game thats what this game is all about lol and like all animals we fight and war thats what we do :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rodri
We're talking about real life, stop trolling.Quote:
Originally Posted by baby
I think Acer brought up the best point here.Quote:
Originally Posted by acer5200
It's all dependent on who you ask.
To a simple Bystander war is nothing more than horrific, while the people on the side of the invasion think it's completely fine.
You could say practically all Holy Wars are this, one side attempting to push it's beliefs on another to "save" them from what the attackers believe is going to happen to everyone outside their religious following. The attackers feel this is justifiable since they could either allow all of them to suffer what they believe will happen, or kill those that don't convert and save those who survive via converting them. While generally everyone else feels that the attackers are wrong based on their own religious beliefs and how that will do nothing to save them from their own version of what the end will be.
*Walks in* No war will NEVER be justified *Leaves without explaining why*
Please stick to the "slap the person above you with a fish* topics before I unleash hell on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaoOmologo
*Slaps JPA with a fish*
Just shut up, you're not funny.Quote:
Originally Posted by LaoOmologo
Back to the topic people.
Civil war, and Revolution 'may' be justifiable depending on how strongly people feel about their own personal liberties and how they feel the ruling power is handling them. But one man's revolutionary is another man's terrorist so it is all very subjective.
As far as going to war with another nation I feel there could be several reasons to justify it:
1) A preemptive strike against a warlord/dictatorship that is about to acquire nuclear weapons, or other types of weapons of mass destruction that would threaten the peace and security of the world. This was the US's excuse to invade Iraq which proved to be false.
2) In defence of another nation or ally under threat or attack.
3) To institute a regime change if the occupying regime is considered a hostile threat to its own people or surrounding territories and in order to promote future stability.
It still depends on the exact situation and details. War should be a last resort in any case when diplomacy fails but sometimes it can be necessary. In the future though I think war will become largely obsolete. It already has to some extent as regards to other countries in possession of nuclear weapons. You can bully around third world dictators and warmongers but once a country acquires nukes war becomes a war of politics and trade agreements.
“War can only be abolished through war, and in order to get rid of the gun it is necessary to take up the gun”
~Mao Tse-Tung
Is war justified in whose eyes. Germany and Austria probably thought they were justified when they invaded Serbia after the assassination of Francis Ferdnand. Hitler though he was justified in his war because of the versaile treaty. And his idea of living space and uniting german speaking people. People justify the reasons for there war all the time
“You are not free whose liberty is won by the rigour of other, more righteous souls. Your are merely protected. Your freedom is parasitic, you suck the honourable man dry and offer nothing in return. You who have enjoyed freedom, who have done nothing to earn it, your time has come. This time you will stand alone and fight for yourselves. Now you will pay for your freedom in the currency of honest toil and human blood.”
- Inquisitor Czevak Address to the Council of Ryanti
"Peace? There cannot be peace in these times."
That sums up the entire human race.
War is never justified, but we still do it. The murder (authorized or not, it's still murder!) of fellow human beings is totally and wholly wrong. There's not a lot of ways in which going to war can be deemed the 'right' thing to do.