How to defeat war cities

One of the tools of larger/active alliances is to build a war city load up on troops and port to enemy territory. For smaller and mid-size alliances this becomes a problem and most members port away or alliances get disbanded. These cities are usually too tough for alliances to take out and the attackers are smart enough to take out lightly defended cities in a snap. I've devised an easy way to cause lots of pain for these attackers.

1. This only works for the folks who like to setup phract smacks or similar type of attacks

2. Have your alliance build tons of warriors and pikes

3. Determine when your enemy is offline.

4. Coordinate a timed warrior bombs and pike rainbow to hit enemy war city at the same time (1 million warriors and 3 pike rainbows works well)
- I've seen a single warrior bomb take out 30k cav
- If a million warriors hit you can take out 200k-300k

5. Continue to punish your enemies war cities by killing their cav and phracts.

6. A secondary benefit is that your attackers will get tons of honor. Honor is the key to keep attackers at bay. An attacker getting 40% or 50% heal rate is willing to lose 1 mil troops. An attacker getting 10% heal rate will think twice about losing 1 mil troops if they only get 100k back

7. Finally, I've gotten scout reports from warrior bombs even though the defeder has hundreds of thousands of troops left. Not sure the exact reason since, I didn't kill 10%

Anyone with good battle reports with pike rainbows please post. I will post some warrior bombs soon

If you are taking out 30k cav with a warrior bomb, the defender is going to lose honor. Going to take a LOT of warriors to make up for spamming out 200k-300k cav. spam out 300k cav, that's over 2.7m warriors you need to lose in the process for it to be neutral EV in terms of honor. (1 cav is 2100 resources, 1 warrior is 230, making 1cav = 9.1 warriors.)

A better strategy is to find who ever in your alliance is sick of feeding cav/cataphracts or mechs, and send those at him. Works best if the guy sending has a ton of honor, and can quickly give him 5m honor in one suicide hit.

50k pike 50k archers works best on cavs rainbowing it with one single cav, phract, swordsmen, and scout is only effective rainbow. sending 1k battering ramms and 10k balistae and/or catapults with this can help also. Just learn how to layer and build waves to accomodate your needs, Ive taken out 500k cavs and 140k phracts with 2 waves of 100k before, so its really all in the layering. And if you have 100k battering ramms, 75k of these babies plus 10k pike a few range mods(archer ballys and pults) plus 2-5 k of each layer will make you happy everytime, although will avoid alot of troops, will kill TONS, making it alot easier to take on the horses.

Let us know if you successfully defeated a heavily protected war city.

Usually it's an impossible job unless you have a strong alliance support. War city = 500K+ scouts, not even considering other troops.

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Originally Posted by LordShiv

One of the tools of larger/active alliances is to build a war city load up on troops and port to enemy territory. For smaller and mid-size alliances this becomes a problem and most members port away or alliances get disbanded. These cities are usually too tough for alliances to take out and the attackers are smart enough to take out lightly defended cities in a snap. I've devised an easy way to cause lots of pain for these attackers.

1. This only works for the folks who like to setup phract smacks or similar type of attacks

2. Have your alliance build tons of warriors and pikes

3. Determine when your enemy is offline.

4. Coordinate a timed warrior bombs and pike rainbow to hit enemy war city at the same time (1 million warriors and 3 pike rainbows works well)
- I've seen a single warrior bomb take out 30k cav
- If a million warriors hit you can take out 200k-300k

5. Continue to punish your enemies war cities by killing their cav and phracts.

6. A secondary benefit is that your attackers will get tons of honor. Honor is the key to keep attackers at bay. An attacker getting 40% or 50% heal rate is willing to lose 1 mil troops. An attacker getting 10% heal rate will think twice about losing 1 mil troops if they only get 100k back

7. Finally, I've gotten scout reports from warrior bombs even though the defeder has hundreds of thousands of troops left. Not sure the exact reason since, I didn't kill 10%

Anyone with good battle reports with pike rainbows please post. I will post some warrior bombs soon

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That really depends.
The older the server, the more scouts there are.
Personally I do not like scouts very much, they eat food, die easy, and if someone wants to see into your city no sane amount of scouts will stop him. (and if someone has 5 million scouts, im just gonna attack him blind, because remember more scouts means less defense as it is impossible to feed scouts AND defense...)

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Originally Posted by WarProphet

Let us know if you successfully defeated a heavily protected war city.

Usually it's an impossible job unless you have a strong alliance support. War city = 500K+ scouts, not even considering other troops.

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The idea is not to beat the war the city. The idea is to minimize the damage they can inflict. In my experience war cities tend to have cav and phracts. The idea is to punish your enemy by killing those forces. Many mid-size alliances don't have people with 200k cav and phract to attack war cities. However, they do have warriors and warriors are cheap and easy to make. The idea is hit the city when the player is offline and to hit it blind. It will cost an alliance a mil plus scouts to get a report. The alliance is better off sending a mil plus warriors blind.

Even the best players with the best heroes still need time to replace cav and phract.

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Originally Posted by LordShiv

One of the tools of larger/active alliances is to build a war city load up on troops and port to enemy territory. For smaller and mid-size alliances this becomes a problem and most members port away or alliances get disbanded. These cities are usually too tough for alliances to take out and the attackers are smart enough to take out lightly defended cities in a snap. I've devised an easy way to cause lots of pain for these attackers.

1. This only works for the folks who like to setup phract smacks or similar type of attacks

2. Have your alliance build tons of warriors and pikes

3. Determine when your enemy is offline.

4. Coordinate a timed warrior bombs and pike rainbow to hit enemy war city at the same time (1 million warriors and 3 pike rainbows works well)
- I've seen a single warrior bomb take out 30k cav
- If a million warriors hit you can take out 200k-300k

5. Continue to punish your enemies war cities by killing their cav and phracts.

6. A secondary benefit is that your attackers will get tons of honor. Honor is the key to keep attackers at bay. An attacker getting 40% or 50% heal rate is willing to lose 1 mil troops. An attacker getting 10% heal rate will think twice about losing 1 mil troops if they only get 100k back

7. Finally, I've gotten scout reports from warrior bombs even though the defeder has hundreds of thousands of troops left. Not sure the exact reason since, I didn't kill 10%

Anyone with good battle reports with pike rainbows please post. I will post some warrior bombs soon

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1)Attacker will loose a lot more cavs killing your millions of warrs and few 100k pikes/swords when they are in defence

2)good player will move their cavs/cats to safer city when they offline...and player who was huge army usually online about 14-18hours a day, it will be hard for you to catch him off

3)it's not hard to replace all cavs for a good player...with good hero and 8-9 cities with barracks we can build 300k-400k cavs a day:flame:

normal war city includes
100k + cav and phracts
around 500 - 800k bows, around same number of swords and pikes
around a mil wariors at times
and seige defense .. lets say 50k balis 50k rams 10k pults

scouts.. well the number varies. some guys don prefer putting any scouts, some might load it up with 5 mil of those...

best way is... determine his def stratergy... yes, beating that kind of city is not easy.. takes days to crack it open....

phract manuver.. : well this is most effective thing to do and kinda cost effective too. send 100 cav and phract wave till the range setters are down. maybe a balista bomb / ram attak can clean the layers or while u r working on range setters send 30k pike sword bow waves . although the city is protected by swords for scout bombs, still slapping honour on ur opponent kinda slows him down. .. once u get the layers and range setters cleaned up. send phract smack waves and boom.

scout bomb: incase the attacker is not smart enough to carry as many swords, just bomb the crap out of him after removing the pony layer with 30k pike sword bow waves.... the honour cripples the opponent`s counter attack thing.

seige attaks... remove range setters.. send rams and bali attaks with high atk heros etc.

to sum it up.. just know what ur opponent`s stratergy is and use the counter. the above three methods work well but are kinda tricky and tiresome to use. also online time of the opponent is vital. however account sitting can make it hard to guess. so just follow one of the three paths and ull win evenutally. remember, any city can be broken.. just needs time and resources for troops to waste .... :-)

Anyone dumb enough to leave their cav/phracts in their war city while they are off line deserves to lose them. Any player worth a bean will pull his cav/phracts off the front line before logging off.

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

Anyone dumb enough to leave their cav/phracts in their war city while they are off line deserves to lose them. Any player worth a bean will pull his cav/phracts off the front line before logging off.

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You obviously haven't studied anti-archer bomb compact defense have you?

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

Anyone dumb enough to leave their cav/phracts in their war city while they are off line deserves to lose them. Any player worth a bean will pull his cav/phracts off the front line before logging off.

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Yea really, I've seen just simple arch rainbows killing 200k+ cavs lmao. If they're compact, warrior bombs ftw. Although to be honest, your probably only gonna knock out ~20k cavs per warrior bomb.

Insta-Warrior FTW (got them a couple days ago :D)

To be honest, everyone is talking about taking out the cav, with massive losses... Personally, I think if I teleported one of my war cities into hostile territory and they did some of these stunts, I would be thanking them. Ok, they killed the Cav, but at what cost? Means the next day when I build all my cav back in a few hours, I will have some fun pillaging some cities.

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Originally Posted by Naems

Yea really, I've seen just simple arch rainbows killing 200k+ cavs lmao. If they're compact, warrior bombs ftw. Although to be honest, your probably only gonna knock out ~20k cavs per warrior bomb.

Insta-Warrior FTW (got them a couple days ago :D)

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*Cough Cough*

Does ANYBODY know the anti-pike/archer/warrior bomb compact defense around here?
Or do I have to spoil the fun and tell people.

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Originally Posted by Kalent

*Cough Cough*

Does ANYBODY know the anti-pike/archer/warrior bomb compact defense around here?
Or do I have to spoil the fun and tell people.

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Spoil it spoil it!!!! DOOOO EEET NAO!!!!

lol

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Originally Posted by Naems

Yea really, I've seen just simple arch rainbows killing 200k+ cavs lmao. If they're compact, warrior bombs ftw. Although to be honest, your probably only gonna knock out ~20k cavs per warrior bomb.

Insta-Warrior FTW (got them a couple days ago :D)

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compact def generally includes heavy seige. yeah that means like 50k+ balis and around 5k+ pults and wiht a 700ish atk hero.. good luck to ur wariors. they wont be even able to see the colour of clothes of defending phracts. :-)

gratz on insta wariors but trust me.. they are not the best unit to attack with. :p

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Originally Posted by LordShiv

Even the best players with the best heroes still need time to replace cav and phract.

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Yes this is a good plan...but if the attacker is smart like me, the cavs and phracts will not be in the ported war city until they are ready to attack...meaning you attacking blind is a waste of time. 100k war waves will do little more then wipe out some traps if there aren't any horsies in the city

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

Anyone dumb enough to leave their cav/phracts in their war city while they are off line deserves to lose them. Any player worth a bean will pull his cav/phracts off the front line before logging off.

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Agreed, +rep

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Originally Posted by wmdHost

compact def generally includes heavy seige. yeah that means like 50k+ balis and around 5k+ pults and wiht a 700ish atk hero.. good luck to ur wariors. they wont be even able to see the colour of clothes of defending phracts. :-)

gratz on insta wariors but trust me.. they are not the best unit to attack with. :p

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Pults can destroy your compact defense. DO NOT HAVE PULTS IN A COMPACT DEFENSE.
Also, your point is half-invalid. Ballistas/pults/archers won't even attack the warriors. Fastest unit starts first. Cavs run up to the warriors in 1 round (W/pults), so in that case, with sufficient amount of cavs, warriors are KOed in 1 round. Ballistas/archers/others don't even get a chance to shoot at the warriors.

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Originally Posted by Adeptwa

Agreed, +rep

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You too..
I feel like I think too much about this game's mechanics.

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Originally Posted by Kalent

Pults can destroy your compact defense. DO NOT HAVE PULTS IN A COMPACT DEFENSE.
Also, your point is half-invalid. Ballistas/pults/archers won't even attack the warriors. Fastest unit starts first. Cavs run up to the warriors in 1 round (W/pults), so in that case, with sufficient amount of cavs, warriors are KOed in 1 round. Ballistas/archers/others don't even get a chance to shoot at the warriors.



You too..
I feel like I think too much about this game's mechanics.

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*Sigh* and you try to criticize ME? Yes I do understand combat mechanics and compact D. Do you?

Cav has a move of 1000 (1500 with HBR 10) so how is it that they get to the warriors in one turn?????? Even without pults or ballista in the compact D the cav will NOT get to the warriors befor the defending ranged units are in range.

I will not get into a war of words with you but you obviously do not know as much as you think you do.

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

*Sigh* and you try to criticize ME? Yes I do understand combat mechanics and compact D. Do you?

Cav has a move of 1000 (1500 with HBR 10) so how is it that they get to the warriors in one turn?????? Even without pults or ballista in the compact D the cav will NOT get to the warriors befor the defending ranged units are in range.

I will not get into a war of words with you but you obviously do not know as much as you think you do.

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Cavs have 100 range.
With ballista, defending warriors are at 1600.
Cavs move to 1500, hitting enemy warriors.

Of course note that with this fact, it's possible for attacking cavalries to reach the defending in 1 round.
Although I have tested it a few times, seems like defending cavs move first.

you should publish an evony strategy guide kalent

Hmm..
Interesting.
I am getting different results.
One report, I get a 1-rounder. Another report, I get a 2-rounder.
Must. Test. More.

Assumeing all techs and walls lv 10.

Ballista will start the fight at range 2800

On turn one attacking cav move 1500 and defending warriors move 400.

They are not within range of each other yet.

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

Assumeing all techs and walls lv 10.

Ballista will start the fight at range 2800

On turn one attacking cav move 1500 and defending warriors move 400.

They are not within range of each other yet.

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Battle starts at 1600.
Battle starting range is base range of the highest range unit + 200.
Ballista base range=1400+200=1600.

Ballista gain archery tech bonus and wall bonus. I don't know about the +200 that you speak of for starting range. If that is so then I learned something new. Back to the point though,

Ballista range of 1400 + archery tech + wall bonus = 2800 (3000 if they do indeed get a +200)

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

Ballista gain archery tech bonus and wall bonus. I don't know about the +200 that you speak of for starting range. If that is so then I learned something new. Back to the point though,

Ballista range of 1400 + archery tech + wall bonus = 2800 (3000 if they do indeed get a +200)

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They get the range bonus to their firing range, not the starting range.

Starting goes off base.

So combat starts at half the range they can fire???????

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Originally Posted by Kalent

Battle starting range is base range of the highest range unit + 200.

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as stated above.

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Originally Posted by A MacLeod

So combat starts at half the range they can fire???????

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Basically, in starting range, the defender's research does not matter.
It's just the base range + 200. I don't know where we got the 200 from, I just read it somewhere, and tested it to find out it makes sense and works.

The most effective tactic I know is to knock out their valleys, and also to farm away at the NPC's they normally farm--every last one of them...


That will starve out their troops, and cause him to attack you, which is after all the better position, as defense is favored in the game...

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Originally Posted by Jurnis

The most effective tactic I know is to knock out their valleys, and also to farm away at the NPC's they normally farm--every last one of them...


That will starve out their troops, and cause him to attack you, which is after all the better position, as defense is favored in the game...

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Takes too long.
Smart player have more than one NPC farm. They can supply food from other fields.

Jurnis, who told you defense is favored in the game? As far as I'm concerned defense is a horrible position always having to watch out for attacks and everything, not being able to be online 24/7. I would choose attacking any day of the week. Strike out any threat to your cities before they come knocking, and it'll work out fine.

ya, i agree, any1 leaving there calvs/cata's in city while they gone is bad news when they get online.

and yes i have been part of taking out a war city :soapbox:

400k+ warriors
700k+ archers
cant remember the pikes and swords-medium amounts
little to no calvs and catas
125k rams

we did it in about 3-4 hrs and i would say wouldnt have prob worked if he wasnt offline, but he was offline, and it did work :D

course i want to keep all the intel to myself for the time being on how we did this and how we gathered intel, but maybe when i give up evony i will share :p