65th Annyversary of Victory over Nazis

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Originally Posted by Modlol

How about Japan how did it attack Pearl Harbor.... First they get wealth of all the nations they captured they make very very advanced ships and later would have first made navy attack from the sea making a base in united States and later improving the front and defenses of the base......

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:duh:

It's just too stupid to comprehend. I wouldn't even know where to begin. Someone else please handle this one...

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Originally Posted by kiteguthan

My avatar already has to do with WW2.

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yeah mine too *nervously looks from side to side*

You didn't answer the question Ski. Why are you being such a troll in a thread celebrating the END OF THE WAR???!!!!!!!
You support the German soldiers as much as the Allied? So do I; most of them weren't Jew-killing Nazis, they were just doing there jobs.
You mentioned that the USSR killed more people than Hitler did? Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they helped us remove one of the world's most evil regimes. If Hitler's empire had been as large as Stalin's, I'm sure he would have killed just as many, maybe more.
The people supported the war in Germany because they felt that their previous government was weak, that Hitler was making their country stronger (which he was, up until he suddenly attacked Russia), and they were ****ed about the Versailles Treaty, which I admit was a bit unfair to them since they hadn't actually started WWI. They supported the war in France, Britian, and Russia because their own country was attacked; propaganda had nothing to do with it. Same with the US, except it was Japan (Germany declared war on us after we did the same to Japan). Notice that in every place except Germany (Japan wasn't in the European front, so we'll save that can of worms for V-J Day) the people wanted war AFTER they were attacked. If the governments had declared war before that, do you really think the people would have supported it?

Arm, you do realize SS was the most multicultural army at that time? 40% of the world supported Germany with troops, of all "races". only 20% supported the allied forces, which WERE the allied forces, and the rest was non-factioned.

Rofl funny thing that I try to create a thread that everyone could kinda like agree or appreciate yet never works even if almost.....=/

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Originally Posted by LaoOmologo

Arm, you do realize SS was the most multicultural army at that time? 40% of the world supported Germany with troops, of all "races". only 20% supported the allied forces, which WERE the allied forces, and the rest was non-factioned.

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Excuse me, but do you have any idea what you're talking about? Going by size, Canada alone is probably larger than all of the Axis countries. And if you're going by population, it's still utter BS. America, the British Empire (which then included India, Canada, Australia, large swathes of Africa, etc.), the U.S.S.R, China, and France, to name the major players, had just a tad more people than the Axis countries.

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

You list France right up there, but what about Canada? We were there for D-Day. We took Vimy Ridge when neither the french nor the Americans could do it, and we did it in days.

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IF it wasnt for Canada we would not have won D-Day

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Originally Posted by Modlol

How about Japan how did it attack Pearl Harbor.... First they get wealth of all the nations they captured they make very very advanced ships and later would have first made navy attack from the sea making a base in united States and later improving the front and defenses of the base......

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Wait.. what? I'll try to figure out what you are trying to say. Feel free to tell me your message at any time by the way.

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Originally Posted by My Interpretation Of What You Said

How about Japan? How did they(?) attack Pearl Harbor? First, they get the wealth of all nations and then they make very, VERY advanced ships. Later, they would have made the first naval attack from the sea. They would make a base in the United States and later improve the front and defenses of the base.

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Well..

1. Japan was the reason we entered the war so w/e.
2. They attacked Pearl Harbor by a failed air raid. We knew it was happening, we were just too slow.
3. Japan was behind America in technology. I don't even think they had radar... So, there would be no way they could ever defeat technologically especially since America sold them their supplies. That was the whole purpose of the Pacific War/Theatre/Front. And what do you mean by "wealth of nations"?
4. Probably, as they intended to attack us first anyway.
5. Doubt that. They lacked the supplies and the forces. If Japan waited longer on the Pearl Harbor attack, the American Pacific fleet wouldn't have been devastated. That would be an even bigger advantage for the Americans.

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Originally Posted by KOOPS95

i kno, riet?

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Life sux...

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Originally Posted by armbarchris

You didn't answer the question Ski. Why are you being such a troll in a thread celebrating the END OF THE WAR???!!!!!!!

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As I said before, I am not trolling. I am expressing a different opinion. There is a pretty big difference.

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Originally Posted by armbarchris

You mentioned that the USSR killed more people than Hitler did? Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they helped us remove one of the world's most evil regimes.

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Don't take this the wrong way but that is horrible logic. You don't say "I'll let the USSR slide on the whole murderous rampage since they defeated the Nazis." You don't accept a greater evil over a lesser evil. I for one preferred Hitler over Stalin. Hitler may have been just as deranged, but he knew how to unite a people. In the end, that's what a leader is for.

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Originally Posted by armbarchris

If Hitler's empire had been as large as Stalin's, I'm sure he would have killed just as many, maybe more.

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It's possible. I would doubt it though. The Holocaust focused on a certain group of people. He pretty much annihilated them all. Stalin on the other hand was more focused on his political enemies. Of course, if Hitler's empire was bigger, he would have had to kill more political enemies as well.

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Originally Posted by armbarchris

The people supported the war in Germany because they felt that their previous government was weak, that Hitler was making their country stronger (which he was, up until he suddenly attacked Russia), and they were ****ed about the Versailles Treaty, which I admit was a bit unfair to them since they hadn't actually started WWI. They supported the war in France, Britian, and Russia because their own country was attacked; propaganda had nothing to do with it. Same with the US, except it was Japan (Germany declared war on us after we did the same to Japan). Notice that in every place except Germany (Japan wasn't in the European front, so we'll save that can of worms for V-J Day) the people wanted war AFTER they were attacked. If the governments had declared war before that, do you really think the people would have supported it?

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Propaganda was on both sides. It's what you use to keep hopes up during a war. You might have seen this poster before...

http://katnip.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/watching.jpg

Don't go around thinking the Allies were so high and mighty. They had their own internment camps (I'll admit they were much better but the prisoners or Japanese, like the Jews, were innocents).

I'll agree with you on the point that the people supported the war after they attacked. They also supported the war when the concentration camps were found. Would they have supported the war if they weren't attacked? I honestly don't know but there comes a time when you realize that democracy isn't a real democracy (or in my case, a democratic republic) and that the government will do whatever it wants. Example: Any way after WWII.

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Originally Posted by Modlol

Rofl funny thing that I try to create a thread that everyone could kinda like agree or appreciate yet never works even if almost.....=/

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I appreciate this thread. This is probably the most stimulating thread I have participated in since I joined. I'd prefer if people would make more of these threads as all the others bore me (except for the KD Comics, those are awesome). Whether or not people agree doesn't matter, it's whether or not you enjoyed doing what you did. I'll leave you with this quote.

"A man is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits."
- President Richard M. Nixon

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Originally Posted by Skirata

Wait.. what? I'll try to figure out what you are trying to say. Feel free to tell me your message at any time by the way.



Well..

1. Japan was the reason we entered the war so w/e.
2. They attacked Pearl Harbor by a failed air raid. We knew it was happening, we were just too slow.
3. Japan was behind America in technology. I don't even think they had radar... So, there would be no way they could ever defeat technologically especially since America sold them their supplies. That was the whole purpose of the Pacific War/Theatre/Front. And what do you mean by "wealth of nations"?
4. Probably, as they intended to attack us first anyway.
5. Doubt that. They lacked the supplies and the forces. If Japan waited longer on the Pearl Harbor attack, the American Pacific fleet wouldn't have been devastated. That would be an even bigger advantage for the Americans.



Life sux...



As I said before, I am not trolling. I am expressing a different opinion. There is a pretty big difference.



Don't take this the wrong way but that is horrible logic. You don't say "I'll let the USSR slide on the whole murderous rampage since they defeated the Nazis." You don't accept a greater evil over a lesser evil. I for one preferred Hitler over Stalin. Hitler may have been just as deranged, but he knew how to unite a people. In the end, that's what a leader is for.



It's possible. I would doubt it though. The Holocaust focused on a certain group of people. He pretty much annihilated them all. Stalin on the other hand was more focused on his political enemies. Of course, if Hitler's empire was bigger, he would have had to kill more political enemies as well.



Propaganda was on both sides. It's what you use to keep hopes up during a war. You might have seen this poster before...

http://katnip.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/watching.jpg

Don't go around thinking the Allies were so high and mighty. They had their own internment camps (I'll admit they were much better but the prisoners or Japanese, like the Jews, were innocents).

I'll agree with you on the point that the people supported the war after they attacked. They also supported the war when the concentration camps were found. Would they have supported the war if they weren't attacked? I honestly don't know but there comes a time when you realize that democracy isn't a real democracy (or in my case, a democratic republic) and that the government will do whatever it wants. Example: Any way after WWII.



I appreciate this thread. This is probably the most stimulating thread I have participated in since I joined. I'd prefer if people would make more of these threads as all the others bore me (except for the KD Comics, those are awesome). Whether or not people agree doesn't matter, it's whether or not you enjoyed doing what you did. I'll leave you with this quote.

"A man is not finished when he is defeated. He is finished when he quits."
- President Richard M. Nixon

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tl;dr

Though I do agree that life sux.

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Originally Posted by KOOPS95

tl;dr

Though I do agree that life sux.

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So you read it then?