Pikes. What happened was that the archers used in the first hit did not clear Cavs completely.
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I took a lvl 12 last week and here is a summery of my hit:
The entire attack was done from 1 city 1 mile from the historical, all techs that matter are lvl 10. My hero gear is all lvl 5 except mount, ring and chram which are lvl 6. stars on most items were 5, but 4 had lvl 8 stars.
My attack was lead by only 2 heros, 1 legendary with 322+49 attack and 224 leadership, the other hero was my queen hero with 310+46 and leadership was 100. (Obviously both had excaliber active) as each wave dies the hero returned home and I sent out again immediatly,
The other 7 heros used to beat down loyalty were normal heros all with the gear on and lowest of any the attack of these was 258, but all were over lvl 60.
Other items used were war horn, corset and 5 war ensigns. Here is a summery of my attack:
1,120,000 Warriors
162,666 Swordsmen
42,807 Archers
108,404 Cavalry
14,640 Battering Rams
It may have been better to wait until the swordsmen were pikemen but I got impatient and went ahead anyway.
I started with 1 million archers and 1 million warriors
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Waves 1 - 15 each had 10k warriors only, sent with any available hero. Took out approx 11k traps and 8k cavs By the time the first spearhead hit.
Wave 16 - 125k archers sent with historical hero - hit at 06:16:26 server time
this took out - 1725 rollogs, 1915 trebs, 82758 cavlery, 3645 traps. (All 125k archers died - 18750 were healed)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead1.jpg
Wave 17 - 125K archers with Queen hero - hit at 06:17:54
Took out - 2135 rollogs, 2541 trebs, 51046 swordsmen, all 42807 archers, the remaining 18639 cavlery and 4488 traps. (All 125k archers died - 18750 were healed)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead2.jpg
Wave 18 - 125k archers with the legendary hero - hit at 06:18:02
Took out 2322 rollogs, 3006 trebs, 114211 warriors, 111981 swordsmen, 95 archers, 240 cavlery, 3504 traps. (All 125k archers died - 18750 were healed)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead3.jpg
Wave 19 - 100k warriors with queen hero - hit 06:19:09
Got no intel from this hit so didnt do much damage and would not send this if I was doing it again
Wave 20 - 125k archers with legendary hero - hit 06:19:31
Took out - 1656 rollogs, 2556 trebs, 329156 warriors, 994 swordsmen, 1057 arechers, 662 cavlery, 2937 traps. (All 125k archers died - 18750 were healed)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead4.jpg
Wave 21 - 50k warriors and 50k archers with queen hero - hit 06:20:19
Took out - 1386 rollogs, 2340 trebs, 163578 warriors, 2168 swordsmen, 1445 cavlery, 2355 traps. (All died, got no info on wounded) - 120k archers would prob have been better here.
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead5.jpg
wave 22 - 1k warriors, 2k scouts, 1k pikemen, 1k swordsmen, 120k archers, with legendary hero - hit 06:22:12
Took out - 1404 rollogs, 2470 trebs, 569250 warriors, 5105 swordsmen, 3403 cavlery and 3907 traps. (All died again no wounded info but likely healed 17k archers)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead6.jpg
Wave 23 - 1k warriors, 2k scouts, 1k pikemen, 1k swordsmen, 95k archers with queen hero - hit 06:23:42
celared all remaining troops and defences: 1231 rollogs, 6666 archer towers, 2298 trebs, 32041 warriors, 4066 swordsmen, 2983 archers, 2711 cavlery, 14640 battering rams and 3031 traps. ( lost 10k archers and the rainbow troops)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead7.jpg
wave 24 - 1k warriors, 2k scouts, 1k pikemen, 1k swordsmen, 95k archers with legendary hero - hit 06:25:15
Cleared all defending troops that had regenerated ( lost 4k archers and some of the rainbow troops)
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...spearhead8.jpg
All remining waves consisted of: 20K archers and 50k warriors. Its important that these waves are spaced out to about 20 seconds apart. If they all hit together they will do the same job, but by the time they return and the next batch hit the city will have regenerated a lot more troops. These waves were sent with whatever hero is available at the time.
Overall after taking it, I had total losses after healing of approx 560k archers, not sure on warrior losses, but somewhere around 400k. (I got no reports on the numers healed because I ran out of gold on automatic heal)
Would like to see what others are sending, or more importantly loosing!
EDIT: I have the reports still and will get them up as soon as I can
Very nice bb. Do you have battle reports?
You did mess up a little bit on some of the waves.
Ill have to look see if i still have the reports, I wasnt planning on posting this here, but everyone is keeping such a secret of it I wanted to share my experience so other might be willing to give it a try and just to show you dont need 10 historical heros at lvl 150 to get the job done.
Yeah, I messed up a bit on a few of the waves, was experimenting to see how things would go. Would like to try one again sometime to try for lower losses but also interested to see what others are sending.
Scout the NPC12 until you get, pikes, cavs, and rams
Port a city 1 mile away from the NPC12 from there you will do the trap clear waves and loyalty waves, have about 1.5-2 mil.l wars there, your queen/king hero lvl 70 and above, and 10 mid range attack heroes lvl 40 and up. From your ported city you send 30 10k war waves, 30 5k war waves, 30 2.5k war waves to clear traps and logs and such, dont worry about loyalty of the hero you will not lose them to the NPC. You send these waves while your waiting for your clearing waves hit.
From your second city you want 6 of your highest attack heroes, level 80 and up attack near 300 for each hero. The following waves to go out: 1)120k pikes with 1k layer of worker, scout, wars, arch and swords(takes out cavs and few pikes); 2) 120k arch with layers(takes out pikes and some arch); 3) 100k cataphract wave or mix of 20-30k rams, 40k swords, 50k arch, also layered with 1k worker, scout, and wars(takes out 50% or so of the wars and remaining infantry); Waves, 4, 5 & 6 all repeat of wave 2(takes out the remainder of the wars, rams and walls); Wave 2&3 require your highest attack heroes, then wave 1. ** You really dont need wave 6 but just in case you want to be safe you clear **
while you are waiting for your clearing waves to hit do the war spam waves to clear traps and such, as your clearing waves hit continue to send war spams, when the last clearing wave hits send 60-80k war waves for loyalty knock downs, 80k sent 1st in each wave to deal with regen. Need about 45 of these waves, send them out together about 5 times.
You need to know the hero speeds so in advance check out the time of arrival for each wave to hit because sequence is crucial, the above has to be in sequence.
good luck.. sure the above will work for you if you have the max tech and the min req. i state above, your gambling if you go in with less.
btw going for my npc14 would like some advice on that :p
I would be interested in trying a lvl 14 now also.
As regards your way lurker, takes a considerable amount of time and resources to build the phracts and rams, I can build nearly 200k archers per day so only takes 3 days to recover from my hit (just my opinion though)
Hi Satan,
I like your ideas, but I used Hellfire's combat guide and did some math and found layered archers to be much more effective than pure archers.
I've attached a copy/pasted screenshot of a first attack with layered archers. You will see that all of the cavalry and ~70,000 of the pikemen died in the first attack.
(I deleted the battle report, but it is still active in my alliance war reports, so that's why the screenshot is copy/pasted together. If you don't believe me, I understand.)
I didn't send any trap clearing waves, surely doing that would allow for even less than 5K per layer.
Hero is level 100 with 282 attack after equipment and stars. (I don't own historical heroes, I joined NA4 far too late for that, I think.)
An identical wave in the same second will clear remaining pikes and likely damage warriors.
A third wave of the same type in the same second will kill archers and damage warriors.
Further waves of this type in the same second will take out ~320,000+ warriors a pop with a 280+ attack hero if done in the same second.
Historical heroes would be nice!
Cheers,
Wolf
Hmm.. that's an interesting report. From everything I have seen, layers haven't done anything while attacking Historics. Maybe they help when you have low attack.. I'll have to run some tests and get back to you.
P.S: Remeber that Hellfire's guide does not pertain to Age II, or NPCs.
Edit: And a variable that cannot quite be answered is what is the Queen/King's intelligence/attack. It is not possible to answer this, so exact numbers are most likely off. You may have gotten a lucky draw there.