1.U.S.A
2.China
3.Europe
4. Russia ...weird filter.
5.India
6.Brazil
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1.U.S.A
2.China
3.Europe
4. Russia ...weird filter.
5.India
6.Brazil
What a nice long impressive discussion that went around in circles.
1) Everyone thinks that should China and U.S.A. go to war, Nukes will be used.
2) Apparently all the wars in the past half century that America fought were failures
-Side note, how many battles did America lose in the Vietnam War as opposed to winning?
I enjoyed this conversation, but honestly everyone on here is incapable of being convinced of something other than their opinion :p this conversation could never end if we felt like it.
Yeah...it got derailed early on.
How come you contributed to the derailing just now and didn't rank like the first post asked? That was the point of this thread. Holey and I were going at it in the Chuck Norris thread so I moved the conversation over here.
It is an argument.... on the internet... what do you expect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost101
In which you made your 4,000th post, Arumen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Arumen
That was a bonus.
Because I don't believe that India and Brazil deserve to be on the list, in my opinion. And as an American, I am generally biased towards America being number one, which makes it rather unfair for me to rank them. And also because as a 16 year old, I dont really know too much about the world's current events :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
I expected lolcats :/ that good enough?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Arumen
^%$&!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had typed out a huge post explaining my opinion of the superpowers and why but my finger slid across the back key and I lost it all, I'm not retyping it. So here!
U.S.A.
Brazil
Europe
China
Russia
India
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I did the China vs US thing on another forum and won.
Its quite simple, first China's ICBMs are badly outdated, I doubt they could get past the missile shield of our navy, much less our EM bombs. But it won't get to nuclear war because the US has no need of it.
As long as the UN doesn't force a white peace and instead the US is allowed to go for total war then the US wins, however should the UN force white peace, the US can't win, because White Peace objectives cannot be obtained without way more time then the US population will allow.
So I'm going to assume its non-nuclear total war.
First China has no chance at either naval or air superiority. China is almost certainly however going to try the human waves tactic it used in the Korean war as that is the only way it can use its large numbers outside of the "we are fish in a bucket" strategy.
As useful as that was in Korea (They still lost their military and ability to fight after the spring offensive, if we had just pushed then, North Korea would not exist.) now however we have something a bit more powerful then WW2 era artillery.
And even without that, the fact is that we have Type three body armor on our troops and they don't. Their training is just marginally better then Somali militia and we got 20 to 1 kill rates against them using only 50 cals, rangers and helicopters.
So I predict any fight against Chinese will result in 50 to 1 losses or greater.
Now China could go all guerrilla, but look how well those tactics worked in Veitnam against our air power. They constantly needed to pretend to want to have peace talks to end the bombings else they would have lost. So the lesson here is, if your enemy wants to have peace talks, don't stop the bombings until after they have agreed to unconditional surrender or maybe just normal surrender.
Now if you are imagining a insurgency like Iraq, I think we would have learned our lesson by then, we just do what Israel did in their wars, evacuate the civilian populations from the cities, force them to go someplace else and tell them to wait there until the war is over, when the war is over, forget about them. But not like insurgency means anything, the French insurgency during WW2 didn't mean that Germany never conquered France.
That leaves economic arguments, fact is even if the war didn't void the debts, they can't call in the debts, they have to accept payments like everybody and even if they could, all we have to do is suspend social security for two years to pay it anyway. And its a total war, plenty of jobs available making ammo.
I don't support social security anyway, I always preferred elimination of retirement and no interest government medical loans to fix up handicaps instead.
And all China does is produce low quality luxury items, hardly a crippling effect on us should we lose them.
Thats my opinion, all inductive logic, deductive logic is not possible here.
http://i47.tinypic.com/2rzuuf8.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Ghost101
Do they have a stable government, high-teched setup of things? Advanced military, Stable economy to feed their growing pop? Have they done anything significant in the World that can potentially make them stand out?
To tell you the truth, China's superpower is resting on the back of America's. If America's position fell, global economy may crash. Which might happen soon, given the 13 trillion dollars in debt. If US claims bankruptcy, China is screwed.