Rank the world's superpowers

You should know by now that nothing I say is ignorant and without factual basis.

US oil reserve: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_res..._United_States
We don't use oil reserve due to political pressures, mostly.

National debt: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt
One must understand the nature of the US National Debt... it's NOT owed to other governments, but to individual bond holders who are mostly American citizens.
But the majority is owed to other departments within the US government.

As as a % of GDP, America is not one of the most indebted countries in the world.

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Originally Posted by powerwolf

im not american im a :modedit: brit and not prode of it..

and if you have not noticed already the UK is the most arrogant country (if you can call my country a country with i dont) in the world..... we demand more than anyone else....

anyway it is
1)usa
2)russia if not the uk
3)rest of europe
4)china
5)japan
6) rest of the world

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Japan's army is not strong... Not strong at all.

South Korea has a stronger army than Japan. And rest of Europe? If you mean the whole EU, but individually, no.

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Originally Posted by Holeypaladin

The main issue, as I see it currently... is that the world economy is far more dependent on the USA than on China.

If China goes into a Depression, it is much less likely to affect world economy than if the USA went into one. The 2008-2009 recession affected the entire world, not just the USA. The Great Depression of the 1930s became a worldwide depression.

But if China went into a depression... it is unlikely to have all that great an influence on the USA or Europe.

Result of war between USA and China = Fallout universe. I got dibs on the Enclave Hellfire Armor...

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Are you serious? You think if China went into a depression it would hardly effect the U.S or Europe?

Oh so wrong that it's just plain funny.

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Originally Posted by Kalent

Japan's army is not strong... Not strong at all.

South Korea has a stronger army than Japan. And rest of Europe? If you mean the whole EU, but individually, no.

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japan can get strong again if they wanted to..

the rest of europe mean all other not britian.. britain leaves the EU we save 60mill pounds aday as it costs that much to be part of the EU..

with that cash in out pockets we would be able to take out europe again for the 2ed ot 3ed time lol

Just throwing this out there for all the people that think Russia wouldn't side with China

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Si..._of_Friendship

Treaties can be.. Broken, and has been before.

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Originally Posted by Kalent

Treaties can be.. Broken, and has been before.

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When has Russia pledged their military support to the Western world in the past 50 years?

Truth of the matter still stands... No nation in the world can invade the continental United States.

None.

The only area that might be a battlefield is Alaska.

how many Chinese are in America already? Has America forgotten Vietnam in a non nuclear fight? If nukes are used we would all be dead so it's not even an argument because no one would win.

Brazil a superpower, isn't it practically bankrupt?

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Originally Posted by Holeypaladin

Truth of the matter still stands... No nation in the world can invade the continental United States.

None.

The only area that might be a battlefield is Alaska.

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and we all know russia want that back..


but one thing if everyone wanted to take on the U.S be one hell of a party of paratroopers......

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Originally Posted by Holeypaladin

Truth of the matter still stands... No nation in the world can invade the continental United States.

None.

The only area that might be a battlefield is Alaska.

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would love to see you invade China. Would be just as amazing as when you visited Vietnam and their awesome firepower they ranged against you. lol. I crack me up

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Originally Posted by andrewbeeker

Brazil a superpower, isn't it practically bankrupt?

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First first post in this thread:

"A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests.

Alice Lyman Miller (Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School), defines a superpower as "a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemon."

Money and military power or the lack thereof do not determine superpowerness. They help, are beneficial, but are not the sole deciding factors.

I love these types of discussions.

i say britain should leave the EU and join the US..... we seem to help each other out more than anyone else

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

First first post in this thread:

"A superpower is a state with a leading position in the international system which has the ability to influence events and its own interests and project power on a worldwide scale to protect those interests.

Alice Lyman Miller (Professor of National Security Affairs at the Naval Postgraduate School), defines a superpower as "a country that has the capacity to project dominating power and influence anywhere in the world, and sometimes, in more than one region of the globe at a time, and so may plausibly attain the status of global hegemon."

Money and military power or the lack thereof do not determine superpowerness. They help, are beneficial, but are not the sole deciding factors.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potential_superpowers

potential superpower is still not a superpower and that's how Brazil is thought of

In a lecture entitled Brazil as an Emerging World Power,[16] presented at the Mario Einaudi Center for International Studies, Leslie Elliot Armijo has said that "Brazil will soon rise as Latin America’s first superpower"

Europe is not a country and the quote I used is from wikepedia, same as where you got your definition of superpowers

andrew, are you arguing that China is not a super power either?

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Originally Posted by andrewbeeker

Europe is not a country and the quote I used is from wikepedia, same as where you got your definition of superpowers

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Don't get all nick picky on semantics, you know exactly what I meant when I said Europe.

of course not, they definitely are. When I say Brazil, I don't imply multiple countries or are you saying wikepedia also says China are an emerging superpower?

lol, it does say that and russia and europe, that just means you can't trust wikepedia as a source of any definitions! In fact if you read that article that only really leaves the U.S. hmmmm

Yeah.
http://i47.tinypic.com/8z3bzn.jpg
But it's Wikipedia. I used a few quotes from there for the definition of what a superpower is, but this thread isn't titled "Which countries does Wikipedia think is a superpower?"

I haven't seen many of the late arrivals here ranking the list from the first post of this thread....

How exactly do you suppose anyone would get to the United States? Particularly, how exactly do you suppose anyone could get past a navy more powerful than every nation's navy in the world combined?

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

Ah! We agree on something, Holey. (I think I might have called you Honey in a previous thread/post 'cause I was typing too fast.)

Yeah, China vs. USA = End of the world. It would be a war so epic World War III wouldn't be a grand enough name.

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I think everyone here has missed something.
Chuck Norris.
China would lose.
He would keep America awesome.
Everything would be good except that there would be another 200million babies cos' Chuck Norris would inhabit China and make every girl Pregnant.

Also I think Australia should be listed as a superpower for there mining (even though the tax and stuff) and our sheer awesomeness.

I hate to point this out but...

Europe is a continent, not a country, and Russia is a part of Europe.

And while looking for information,, I found out that the CIA has games on its site for kids, such hits as
Code Breaker
Photo Analysis
Puzzles
and
Aerial Analysis Challenge.

I thought that was funny

Arumen, everyone knows Europe is a continent. But when viewed as an economic/military power we're lumping them together because of their financial relationships and the fact that when it came down to war they would all fight on the same side.

And....again (not directed solely at your Arumen), stop being so nick picky about the semantics. When I said Europe on the first post, it was very obvious that I was referring to the EU.

And, Russia is in Eurasia. Not Europe.

And.....this thread has been derailed, but is still hanging onto the tracks. The point is to rank the superpowers THEN discuss it. Not just jump in with your one-liners about why someone else is wrong.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

Arumen, everyone knows Europe is a continent. But when viewed as an economic/military power we're lumping them together because of their financial relationships and the fact that when it came down to war they would all fight on the same side.

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http://www.dailyhaggis.com/wp-conten...9/08/o_rly.jpg

I have over 1000 years of evidence saying otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Lord Arumen

I have over 1000 years of evidence saying otherwise.

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We're talking about the present, Arumen. If it came down to it, what nation in Europe would fight against the others in a China vs. US war? That's the context of the debate we're sorta having right now/were having.

1. Australia :D
2. The United States of America
3. China
4. Russia
5. India
6. Europe
7. Brazil

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

We're talking about the present, Arumen.

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Though in a scenario of World War Three old enemies (cough cough, germany and britain) may relight.

The EU is not a united military power.

They are purely an economic union.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

We're talking about the present, Arumen. If it came down to it, what nation in Europe would fight against the others in a China vs. US war? That's the context of the debate we're sorta having right now/were having.

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None of them would get involved at all for fear of M.A.D

But they would be sure to fight amongst themselves. Always have, always will. They are people born to people who spent thousands of years killing each other. They fight amongst themselves now, politically.

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Originally Posted by B2X

1. Australia :D
2. The United States of America
3. China
4. Russia
5. India
6. Europe
7. Brazil

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lol, who is #1?

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Originally Posted by kailbomb

Though in a scenario of World War Three old enemies (cough cough, germany and britain) may relight.

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Yeah. Ok, fine. I retract my statement about all of the EU/Europe definitely sticking together. They fought a lot in the past, and were fighting to the death even in the last century...but I still believe that were the end all be all war to start, EU/Europe would stick together. They've become a lot more homogenized in the past 50 years.

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Originally Posted by Holeypaladin

The EU is not a united military power.

They are purely an economic union.

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And a very powerful one, which is why I included them on the first post as a superpower.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

lol, who is #1?



Yeah. Ok, fine. I retract my statement about all of the EU/Europe definitely sticking together. They fought a lot in the past, and were fighting to the death even in the last century...but I still believe that were the end all be all war to start, EU/Europe would stick together. They've become a lot more homogenized in the past 50 years.

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Oh sorry we're the ones who saved a whole bunch of american behinds in WWI.

C'mon B2X, be serious. Australia isn't a superpower.

....you too kailbomb.

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Originally Posted by B2X

1. Australia :D
2. The United States of America
3. China
4. Russia
5. India
6. Europe
7. Brazil

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I Agree:flame:.

DOUBLE POSTS ALERT.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

C'mon B2X, be serious. Australia isn't a superpower.

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I'll show you SuperPower!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AHHHHHHHHH!
*Goes Super Saiyan*

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

C'mon B2X, be serious. Australia isn't a superpower.

....you too kailbomb.

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Oh wow and brazil is?

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Originally Posted by B2X

Oh wow and brazil is?

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In terms of having a broad reaching sphere of influence, yes.

We already went through this like 3 pages ago.

But so does North Korea, and yet their people are starving, just because they have 'a broad sphere of influence' doesn't mean they are a super power.

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Originally Posted by Conrad_Jalowski

1. The United States of America
2. China
3. India
4. Russia
5. European Union
6. Brazil

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I think European Union is better than Russia.
India why are they even in the list lol.

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Originally Posted by B2X

But so does North Korea, and yet their people are starving, just because they have 'a broad sphere of influence' doesn't mean they are a super power.

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Ahh but Brazil's land and people have great potential. They are very stable in there world position and it is because it is not viewed as a world power, that makes the country so powerful.

Also they provide the 3rd of the worlds coffee :p

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Originally Posted by B2X

But so does North Korea, and yet their people are starving, just because they have 'a broad sphere of influence' doesn't mean they are a super power.

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Wait, wut? You are disqualified from being taken seriously on this thread anymore.

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Originally Posted by scottkhan

I think European Union is better than Russia.
India why are they even in the list lol.

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Oh lord, I hope Conrad returns to respond to this.