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Yeah big mistake there... not 100% sure they would've won then though.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrotherhoodUK
And the USA with a nuke and Germany defeating USSR... that would've been an interesting situation. I'm sure Hitler would not surrender, no matter how many nukes would've been used on them.
Well actually, the inevitability of defeat stems far before the aforementioned battles. Germany, even in 1940 was unable to launch a solid invasion of the United Kingdom. The Kriegsmarine was simply a joke of a navy (the single mock landing performed resulted in half of the ships capsizing, and that was against an undefended beach), the RAF hadn't been defeated, the power of radio would enable the British to react speedily to a potential invasion, and the Germans had no amphibious landing craft anyway. In the 1970s, a number of wargames were played out to determine whether Operation Sealion would have been feasible, and the Germans were defeated every single time. It was only after giving Germany practically every single advantage in the book that they were able to succeed, albeit with heavy losses predicted.Quote:
It doesn't matter much really. The Axis had already lost the war before this all happened, mainly at Stalingrad and Midway. So we're only talking "if Germany would've been able to slow down an inevitable defeat". And that's even without factoring in the Manhattan Project.
To answer the question: Yes I think they coulda beaten the allies in Italy.
So to the main point. It was impossible for Germany to invade Britain, thus making their submission impossible. Germany was unable to field any large quantity of men in North Africa, thus making an advance in to Egypt and the Levant impossible for the poorly supplied Africa Corps. The Germans overextended themselves in Russia in 1941, and therefore the submission of them was impossible too. Germany was faced with war on three different fronts, and it was physically impossible for them to knock any of the countries involved out of the war.
Incorrect. That's popular perception of things for you. The truth is, the rasputiza (sp?) still made the roads in Eastern Europe impassable during Operation Marita (the German invasion of the Balkans), and therefore no time was actually "lost". Therefore, the Germans would have lost either way.Quote:
The Axis lost the war when they delayed to attack Greece. 2 weeks difference would've saved them the winter. They would've captured Moscow and forced Britain to the negotiating table.
Simply put, if Hitler wasn't such an idiot in helping Mussolini, he would've won the war.
Unless they went ahead and nuked Hitler himself... :rofl:Quote:
Yeah big mistake there... not 100% sure they would've won then though.
And the USA with a nuke and Germany defeating USSR... that would've been an interesting situation. I'm sure Hitler would not surrender, no matter how many nukes would've been used on them.
Just to chime in a bit here on the nuclear conversation: The entire US nuclear arsenal was gone. The US only had 3 nukes. One was used as a test in New Mexico, and 2 were dropped on Japan. That was all we had. We couldn't have nuked the Germans.
The Japanese were losing anyway, so those nukes werent needed per se.
In the hypothetical situation we were talking about, Germany would have still been a huge threat, and therefore the USA obviously would've picked Germany to nuke.
You must be joking, Japan might have been losing in the Pacific Theater but they would have wrecked havok on american forces if we had decided to actually invade Japan.
The reason we nuked them was so we could prevent massive american losses look up the proposed invasion plan of japan and see how many american troops it called for and the projected losses
we didnt just nuke them for the lulz
We nuked them for the intimidation of the Soviets... Which as it turned out later didn't work too well, but we thought they wouln't get nukes themselves. Great planning...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesterus
No, the Japanese were nuked to:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bree Fletcher
#1 - Bring them to the negotiating table.
#2 - Minimise the loss of life and destruction which would have been caused by an invasion of Japan.
Nowhere was intimidating the Soviets a part of it; the hostile attitude between east and west only became prominent post-1945.
The reason the Soviets ended up with nukes was because after the allies pwnd Germany the Soviets and the Americans/Brits scooped up all the German scientists, it was well proven that hitler was very close to developing an atom bomb himself.
Believe it or not alot of the progress in technology that we saw after the WW2 was due to all these uber war geniuses research programs
Moved at request of the OP. :)
The reason the Soviets ended up with nukes, was because of a communist who was part of the Manhattan Project disclosing the details of how to construct nuclear weaponry to the Soviets, because he felt it would be better for the world to know. Of course, now we have nations with colossal nuclear arsenals.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nesterus