A Quote and A Discussion Ensues

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Originally Posted by Nesterus

[...]The Catholic Church is a defunct entity that was created to rule over the early dark age population[...]

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I agree with this and would like to expand on this and possibly start a debate on a relevant matter to this statement. If any of you have read some of Karl Marx's theories on the bourgeoisie's (upper classes) control of the proletariat through education and religion are free to discuss this matter with me.

Karl Marx was a communist that invented Marxism and I value/share his theories on the control of the proletariat through brainwashing in the media and through education.

For the first part of the debate I would like to discuss this matter. I will start the thread by stating:

I see this theory as plausible. A man called Rupert Murdock is a person you could say owns the media. With a stake of 50% in Fox and other news agencies such as Sky News he has a substantial influence in the way things are put across to the public (proletariat). This is also prevalent in the newspaper industry, with one editor being in control of what YOU the proletariat reads and interperpates.

The rapid expansion of media throughout the 20th century has made it easier for the bourgeoisie to control what we see and hear and think.

To sum up: brainwashing started with religion and continues through the media/news.


Any other views welcome.

The purpose of Communism is the annihilation of individual will and the manipulation of the masses or the rabble to achieve such a measure. The Communist ruler or the Proletarian Dictator ascends to power through the use of the masses as an element that is inimical or antagonistic to the particular regime/administration. With the rise of dissidence and tension, the masses become wild, savage, rapacious and licentious due to Communist agitators, dissidents and aggressors. The people then violently disrupt civil society through a ferocious display of terror and violence. Once the particular regime has been dissolved and overthrown, the people are then shackled to the chains of bondage like mere cattle for the people are rendered obsequious and are trampled and repressed by the recently formed Communist regime.

In addition, the bourgeoisie were not the upper class or part of the patricianate which represented the aristocracy but the upper strata of the middle class with the affluent and the often influential non-nobles. An example of a bourgeoisie state would be the July Monarchy under the Orleanist dynast Louis-Philippe I who ruled as the King of the French from 1830-1848 CE.

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Originally Posted by Conrad_Jalowski

The purpose of Communism is the annihilation of individual will and the manipulation of the masses or the rabble to achieve such a measure. The Communist ruler or the Proletarian Dictator ascends to power through the use of the masses as an element that is inimical or antagonistic to the particular regime/administration. With the rise of dissidence and tension, the masses become wild, savage, rapacious and licentious due to Communist agitators, dissidents and aggressors. The people then violently disrupt civil society through a ferocious display of terror and violence. Once the particular regime has been dissolved and overthrown, the people are then shackled to the chains of bondage like mere cattle for the people are rendered obsequious and are trampled and repressed by the recently formed Communist regime.

In addition, the bourgeoisie were not the upper class or part of the patricianate which represented the aristocracy but the upper strata of the middle class with the affluent and the often influential non-nobles. An example of a bourgeoisie state would be the July Monarchy under the Orleanist dynast Louis-Philippe I who ruled as the King of the French from 1830-1848 CE.

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Okay, not to be rude, but I think you missed the point... I'm sure most of us know what Communism hopes to achieve, but Professor X was asking whether "brainwashing" of a sort actually occurs today. Which, by the way, I believe it does.

Most people are vulgar and are left to consume their souls in ignorance...

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Originally Posted by Conrad_Jalowski

The purpose of Communism is the annihilation of individual will and the manipulation of the masses or the rabble to achieve such a measure. The Communist ruler or the Proletarian Dictator ascends to power through the use of the masses as an element that is inimical or antagonistic to the particular regime/administration. With the rise of dissidence and tension, the masses become wild, savage, rapacious and licentious due to Communist agitators, dissidents and aggressors. The people then violently disrupt civil society through a ferocious display of terror and violence. Once the particular regime has been dissolved and overthrown, the people are then shackled to the chains of bondage like mere cattle for the people are rendered obsequious and are trampled and repressed by the recently formed Communist regime.

In addition, the bourgeoisie were not the upper class or part of the patricianate which represented the aristocracy but the upper strata of the middle class with the affluent and the often influential non-nobles. An example of a bourgeoisie state would be the July Monarchy under the Orleanist dynast Louis-Philippe I who ruled as the King of the French from 1830-1848 CE.

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In the instance of Karl Marx's writings the bourgeoisie were the upper class and I was more inclined for a conversation about class consciousness and the control of the lower classes through manipulation of media and other techniques.

I have to say that I fully agree with you X.

What specific works by Karl Marx have you targeted sir?

Do you mean Karl Marx's The Eighteenth Brumaire Coup of Charles-Louis Napoleon Bonaparte?

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Originally Posted by Professor X

Karl Marx was a communist that invented Marxism and I value/share his theories on the control of the proletariat through brainwashing in the media and through education.

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Care to join in the discussion with us about this matter?

karl marx wanted to use the french revolution as a example of the uprising of the lower class but infact it was not. They went bact to the fields in the very early stages of the french revolution.

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Originally Posted by SunTzu123

karl marx wanted to use the french revolution as a example of the uprising of the lower class but infact it was not. They went bact to the fields in the very early stages of the french revolution.

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Yes I believe that the French revolution was part class consciousness and part frustration of the stagnant anarchical reign of the royal classes.