Not sure if this is the change. No more option to draft from HC. Can still draft from Lv10 NPC.
No more millions of warriors to kill cavalry....
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Not sure if this is the change. No more option to draft from HC. Can still draft from Lv10 NPC.
No more millions of warriors to kill cavalry....
Good thing I saved 26 million warriors then :P
And they reduce drafting of Lv10 to 5%, ie 20k per draft
zzzzz
Nice of them to announce the change before implementing it...... :duh:
Here we go again...WTF :(
could only draft 36K and noticed policy reduced to 5% and Tax from 10% up to 30%....Jeez I get more gold farming lvl10's which I dont need.
I am waiting out server maint - and guess will see my last 2 drafts go down to 20K...Stupid I know as was hoping was a glitch as lots of glitches since this Poll booth started.
Now it looks like I should have grabbed my 36K while I had the chance..
Why cant evony modify new servers and not mid-game servers? this isn't a proffesional way to do things.
I wonder how an Evony dev or employee would feel if when opening his pay packet found not the usual amount but half his salary...wasnt told, and when enquiring was told sorry mate felt you got too much not fair - so we decided to cut it by 50%?
Thank you Evony team for fixing what needs to be fixed. Chat issues, troop issues, a big ugly governor button blocking the scenery- in which the governor can't even see what he or she writes in alliance chat.
Great Job! You took our suggestions well, but no attack button. Now, people are going to horde troops beyond your wildest imaginations. It's so easy to change things as you guys like to do unannounced. Please, let's try adding the attack button by next maintenance.
Oh blessings, the mods are going to have another fun day! And of course, coffee on me.
Is there a dark room where I can go in evony so I can cry and not be noticed?
:(
wtf is the point of 14's & 16's then???? wow
Some compromise this is.
Once again, the 14 I was 1-2 days away from taking is nearly pointless.
Again totally unannounced.
Epitome of professionalism. Awesome.
So they took two "nerfing" methods from 2 separate concepts and mashed them into one.
They utterly gutted drafting by taking 5% draft reduction AND not being able to do it from HCs then rolled them into one. They then boost the other almost useless policies to "compensate"?
Say it ain't so, Evony.
Sorry, but if you're going to make the attack stat do FAR less for troop training (see: archers), then I'm going to have to farm 8's, and the only way to support large armies is relying on the warriors provided before these changes.
Back to square one. Maybe...square 0.3, since you can still draft from 10's (at a pitiful rate).
And all of this completely unannounced. Apparently, no learning took place from the last disaster.
they puted the useless poll about governor insted to make a poll about HC and drafting etc.etc
I was thinking about this.
If they can make a useless poll about electing someone using a silly popularity contest, then why can't they make in-game polls that actually deal with critical issues? They'd even get the opinions of "Average Joe" and not just users of the forum.
Is that too advanced or something? Really.
Sad part is, we had a general consensus on this forum to leave lvl 10 NPCs alone and change HC drafting. No more HC drafting-cool....we can still get an okay amount of warriors from lvl 10s....wrong....not anymore.
Evony team. It could have been understandable if you just opened communication first. I have nothing else to say if you're not going to listen. Time to hit noobs again today. Last time I think I had just about 30 cities npc'ed on me.
I need to calm down first to put something constructive concise and to the point.
I feel at the moment -possibly best if I didnt contact them just yet ;)
Didnt notice the poll for what should be the changes and after seeing it - well not any of the options were great...eh :duh:
It seems that way. Well I can cancel all of the rams, balls and trans that I'm building as I'm certainly not going to bother wasting all of them and millions of archers to capture a lvl 16 that's as much use as a chocolate fireguard.
Time to find a new game to play I guess.....
A way to make the HCs viable again would be to make cottages ugradeable to lvl 12, 14 16 etc. That way we can actually use them fully for other things then 40 farms and still be able to have a few barracks in the city.
maybe remove the need for mich scripts aswell.
*That beeing said, id rather have the old way of drafting back.
Lynx
It also further sterilized the desire for 14's/16's since you get only 2 more policies per, but the same amount of warriors per draft. Owning multiple 2 12's is now better than a 14 for 2 reasons:
1. Cost is WAY, WAY, WAY cheaper in terms of troops.
2. More troops drafted from 2 12's.
So silly.
I just don't understand it.
A large portion of their income *has* to come from big players. Wanting high star levels/gear/etc. faster than anyone else. Excaliburs, On Wars (though less in A2 for sure), porters, etc.
Big players would be the ones most upset with this change.
Unless the percentage of "smaller players" constitutes more revenue than the big dogs, but I just can't see that happening.
I agree. It's the "big" players that spend the bucks to be able to capture lvl 16s and build up to capture Atlantis. I would expect most of them would now not bother and will probably quit. I've spent some cash on this game but I certainly won't EVER spend another dime.
Just like me they're going to feel cheated :mad:
I am not sure evony quite knows how to get the balance - and keeps messing with it like and angry spot they want to squeeze :confused:
Do they honestly think that people with HC's go around bullying noobs and way lower prestige players than themselves?
frankly they have far better things to do like build for bigger and better things such as more HC's and ramping up to take 14's and 16's....etc
All that will now happen is a deterrent has been put in place to make these ambitions of 14's and 16's less viable - so option is to go round terrorsing noobs.
Evony wanted to stamp out bullying? Obviously this was not the case and are now actively encouraging it as far as I can see with this change...
Can they not see this? or they do see this and their remit has changed ?
And this is what they want - coupled with this stupid poll - which has now turned into petty squabbles on WC vote my leader - no my leader...well vote my leader they are better than your leader...
WAR!!!
Jeez I thought this was an Adult game in the most part....obviously am wrong :(
Less "viable"? Taking a 14 is completely useless now unless you own a 12 in its range and need to protect yourself. However, there are certain areas where no 14 affect, so just cap your 12s from those areas...
Similar with 16s - only purpose now is to protect your lvl 12 historics from being drafted from.
They seriously messed up with this one. Again.
The issue: 10% warriors from a lvl 12 was too much.
The solution: put draft cap as 5% from lvl 10.
Wait... when was 10% from lvl 10 a problem???
Or what was wrong with lowering draft from a lvl 12 - e.g. 5% from a lvl 12.
Evony did not mess up anything. They did just fine.
You guys need to stop complaining so much and quit being so negative.
Historicals are not "useless" just because you can't draft from NPC's. If Historicals could never draft from NPC's then I am sure many of you would still capture them. Why?
1. Higher Rally Spot
2. More resource fields
3. Can draft from player owned cities and historicals
4. Helps establish lordship over an area
etc...
Basically a supercharged city. I do not believe for one second that free warriors was the ONLY reason any of you wanted the historicals. In fact, almost all of you said in other posts that warriors are useless, about the same level as workers. So hording warriors is no big deal. Well, if they are useless then you won't miss them.
Give someone free stuff for a while and they soon start to expect it. Then when it stops they get angry.
Can I ask JapanPimp how many HC's do you own?
evony has messed up again they may as well remove all HC including atlantis as there is now no point in taking it as its worthless to defend,evony devs do not understand the game and its owners do not understand its market.
there is no need for historic heros now either so what we have now is age 1 nuetered to the point that other facebook war games are more appealing ie kingdom of camalot as evony has evolved into a poor copy of this game.
Right.. please read this (I'll type slowly just for you) and maybe you'll understand this time....
1. Only reason to have a higher Rally Spot is to capture higher lvl HCs. HCs are now useless, and so is your point.
2. No-one in their right mind is going to waste 36 Mich scripts to upgrade resource fields in a Historical City, especially when they can get far more resources farming NPCs. So they're now useless, and so is your point.
3. IF an HC owner keeps NO troops of their own in the HC and has it reinforced by their alliance those troops CANNOT be drafted. So a lvl 14 or 16 HC owner CANNOT now draft from NPC HCs or player-owned HCs. So they're now useless, and so is your point.
4. HCs are not required to establish "Lordship" over an area. So they're useless now, and so is your point.
We said that the warriors were useless in regards to attacking other players and defending the HC. They are in fact useful for farming NPCs to feed the troops required to keep the HC defended.
So to sum it up... Historical cities cannot be ported, cannot draft, can be captured by other players, cost a large amount of troops to capture (which cannot be recouped), are not included when a player truces or goes into holiday mode, and in the minds of those that own them are now useless.
If I missed anything please point it out........
As for the concept you mention, it's called the endowment effect and is well-documented in the academic literature and first-year training for many public relations and service-related professions. Yes, people value rights/goods more highly once they have them than they do the same rights/goods when they do not. This is particularly true when they have had to make sacrifices to obtain the good or right in the first place. It also helps explain why someone who has never bothered to attempt a capture undervalues them consistently and feels free to troll others by characterizing them as "free".
And, yes, once again the change comes without advance notice and appears to have the support of only those who benefit from it. I trust Evony will not attempt to spin this as having been the product of input from customers; had this been an option, it's obvious where it would have fallen in the vote.
Right on.
He made the same "points" the last time this happened and none of them are any more valid this time around.
I'll just add to what you said:
1. Higher rally spot - Yay! I can use these to take other HCs which are now...gimped. Sweet. Oh wait! I can use them to send 5 hour attacks to someone 50 miles away since I can't port! Score.
2. Resource fields. Still can't believe you consider this a viable "perk". Once again, an erroneous opinion brought on by you not owning any HCs. I'd love to see you dish out money for 36 Mich scripts for a 12/14. Hilariously impractical and the cost/benefit is severely skewed.
3. Not much to add. If an HC is being drafted by a higher HC, don't keep the troops there. Period. Speaking of this...This already happens with player cities which is supposedly "just as good" as drafting from NPCs. I'm so excited to draft 12 archers from some inactive in my radius!
4. "Lordship"? Really? They are nowhere near required to establish dominance over an area.
The devs should concentrate less on making the cool parts of the game less cool, and should focus more on making more cool parts of the game or making the cool things cooler.
Next I'm afraid they're gonna lower the historic hero level cap to 125.
Or maybe they can make the historic heros all have the same attribute score.
Perhaps alliances can be limited to 50 members.
Lets have archers only do 1/2 damage.
How about if you're colonized you get a guerella warfare button which kills 10% of your suz's troops and steals one of their heros.
60 letters per chat msg is too long lets lower the limit to 30.
Whenever you buy cents all your heros lose a level.
You only own historic heros for one month then they run away.
Boy I sure have a ton of great ideas for the devs there. Lets get them working on em!
It is less than 3 hours into the new drafting changes. My alliance chat is full of noise and players in the US time zone have yet to log in.
Knowing this could be the final solution, most feel it is pointless to further the game now that they are at the End Game. Yes, capping a Lv12 is THE End Game now.
I have stopped my gems farming of the day. Some players had cancelled their auto cents. I was supposed to help a player to cap a Lv12 and later a Lv14. Lv14 has to stop because I no longer want to loose warriors on Cavalry phase and I am not prepared to kill the cavalry with my limited archers.
I told the player that finally see the right troop combination in his Lv12 that he has to wait next round as I am not in the mood to do this round.
Finally I can take a break. Since I can stop building up for a Lv16, there is no urgent need to fill up my barrack now.
Indeed. My American friends are just starting to come online and are immediately cancelling their auto-cents, the southern hemisphere players will no doubt do the same later.
This change is doing for Evony what 9/11 did for the airline industry, many of them went out of business.....
Last count showed my 12s and 14s had the same number of resource fields, making point 2 a sign of your ignorance on such matters. Even if there were more fields, why would I want to have more people working? All the more hassle in queuing armies. Duct tape your fingers together please.
My alliance essentially halted the buying of all cents while the previous draft change was in affect. We had stated we were comfortable with drafting just 10s, but at the 10% rate. Our biggest spenders have already come forward as saying they will no longer "support these salaries" for people who are indifferent enough not to inform us of a change.
Frankly, I think baby steps would be more appropriate. Add a small change and see if that fixes the problem. Instead, Evony has yo-yoed between too much, too little, too much, etc.
The cost of a 14 is staggering compared to a 12. Yet, the reward is 40,000 warriors more a day? Please, be the person to correct me and say I can draft a player. You obviously do not own a 14, as within my first 4 hours of owning my 14, 10 cities ported. Since, the # of armies has become so small that I don't bother pursuing drafts.