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09-01-2010, 04:36 PM
Shepard1

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

So, any man with a gun that would threaten another person with it is a terrorist? Right. So, I guess that every time someone gets mugged in America, its a terrorist attack. Every gang shootout is a fight between the Forces of Patriotism and the Evil Terrorists?

No, I think any person with a Gun and the Intent to Harm another Person for Goals that are against that of the Country they are in. There for being defined as "Terrorizing Citizens."
09-01-2010, 04:38 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

Discovery channel has many programs that display, and extensively talk about war and weaponry involved. This they could change.

And? What about the other commercials that advertise recruitment for the Army, Navy, and Airforce? Heck, what about the National Guard, or Marines? It's not like Discovery Channel airs over 95% of the Weapon and War shows on TV. I don't think pushing Discovery Channel is going to solve the problem.
09-01-2010, 04:40 PM
DeSalvionjr

more nearby buildings are being evacuated now...
09-01-2010, 04:44 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by Montros

And? What about the other commercials that advertise recruitment for the Army, Navy, and Airforce? Heck, what about the National Guard, or Marines? It's not like Discovery Channel airs over 95% of the Weapon and War shows on TV. I don't think pushing Discovery Channel is going to solve the problem.

I was simply explaining why someone might be demanding Discovery channel to cease such practices.

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Originally Posted by Shepard1

No, I think any person with a Gun and the Intent to Harm another Person for Goals that are against that of the Country they are in. There for being defined as "Terrorizing Citizens."

And a mugging isn't terrorizing a citizen?

EDIT: You might want to take that picture out of your quote. Quoting infractable material is an infraction.
09-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Shepard1

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

And a mugging isn't terrorizing a citizen?

EDIT: You might want to take that picture out of your quote. Quoting infractable material is an infraction.

So then you would also say what the IRA is doing in Ireland isn't terrorism? Blowing up buildings, and Killing Innocent Civilians?

Then why did you put that picture in your quote in the first place?
09-01-2010, 04:49 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

I was simply explaining why someone might be demanding Discovery channel to cease such practices.

And I just explained why pushing Discovery for the World's crime of Advertising such things is simply stupid.
09-01-2010, 04:50 PM
brownchocolate

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Originally Posted by DeSalvionjr

more nearby buildings are being evacuated now...

DeSalvionjr is trying to keep the thread on topic lol.
09-01-2010, 04:51 PM
acer5200

There's a difference between a psychopathic fool with a gun and a bomb taking hostages and a terrorist.
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by acer5200

There's a difference between a psychopathic fool with a gun and a bomb taking hostages and a terrorist.

Really? Isn't that what Terrorrists are? :P
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by Shepard1

So then you would also say what the IRA is doing in Ireland isn't terrorism? Blowing up buildings, and Killing Innocent Civilians?

Then why did you put that picture in your quote in the first place?

Any act which causes fear is a terrorist action, regardless of what the intent behind it is, whether it is an act against a nation, or an act for it. Just trying to broaden your view.

And I posted that picture because I just don't care anymore.

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Originally Posted by Montros

And I just explained why pushing Discovery for the World's crime of Advertising such things is simply stupid.

Yes, I know.

You still haven't told me exactly what is bad about the ideals of communism, without the American propaganda.
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
*jdm*

woah i got on bbc and saw this and its on here small world
09-01-2010, 04:53 PM
xRogueAngelx

shep you can leave Ireland and the IRA out of this
09-01-2010, 04:54 PM
brownchocolate

This thread is turning into a war...
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

You still haven't told me exactly what is bad about the ideals of communism, without the American propaganda.

Communism takes control of the media and what people can broadcast. This is what this "Lee" dude is trying to do, by threatening to kill his hostages in the station at this very time.
09-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by xRogueAngelx

shep you can leave Ireland and the IRA out of this

No, he raised a good point.

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Originally Posted by brownchocolate

This thread is turning into a war...

Not neccesarily. I currently view it as an intellectual discussion.

Montros: You think a Capitolist society doesn't do that? Or a Monarchy? Or a So******t? Or a Democracy? Or a constitutionalized Monarchy?
Contol of the media is a practice that EVERY government uses to control just what the people learn about whats going on.
09-01-2010, 04:57 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by brownchocolate

This thread is turning into a war...

Whatever it is, it's not spam. :attack:
09-01-2010, 04:58 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

No, he raised a good point.

Not neccesarily. I currently view it as an intellectual discussion.

Montros: You think a Capitolist society doesn't do that? Or a Monarchy? Or a So******t? Or a Democracy? Or a constitutionalized Monarchy?
Contol of the media is a practice that EVERY government uses to control just what the people learn about whats going on.

The Bill of Rights states that we can say and speak whatever the hell we want without getting prosecuted.
09-01-2010, 04:58 PM
brownchocolate

I guess my Intellectual discussions with my peers on the forums are just special cause they get deleted real quick lol

Double post fail above me lol. jk
09-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by Montros

The Bill of Rights states that we can say and speak whatever the hell we want without getting prosecuted.

And yet that right has its limits.

But, the government can still manipulate the media, to control exactly what people learn by watching it, despite your right to the press.

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Originally Posted by brownchocolate

I guess my Intellectual discussions with my peers on the forums are just special cause they get deleted real quick lol

Double post fail above me lol. jk

Your intellectual discussion must not be very intellectual then.
09-01-2010, 05:02 PM
Rota

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Originally Posted by Montros

Communism takes control of the media and what people can broadcast. This is what this "Lee" dude is trying to do, by threatening to kill his hostages in the station at this very time.

Control of the media has nothing to do with communism. That is a product of the corruption in the leadership of faux-communist governments.

True communism has NO government, and no media controls. True communism is simply a community of people working toward the common good. It's a society made of only selfless people. Almost every piece of fiction featuring utopian society, shows that society as communistic. Real communism is idealistic. But, it is not humanly possible, because of human nature.
09-01-2010, 05:03 PM
acer5200

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Originally Posted by Montros

The Bill of Rights states that we can say and speak whatever the hell we want without getting prosecuted.

Then by all means, go into a crowded movie theater and start screaming about a fire. Or how about you advocate a race war at a rally, telling people to hurt others. Or you can go threaten somebody with violence.

Do one of those and tell the cops about your Freedom of Speech. Please. Do it.

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Originally Posted by Rota

Control of the media has nothing to do with communism. That is a product of the corruption in the leadership of faux-communist governments.

True communism has NO government, and no media controls. True communism is simply a community of people working toward the common good. It's a society made of only selfless people. Almost every piece of fiction featuring utopian society, shows that society as communistic. Communism is the ideal, but it is not humanly possible, because of human nature.

Now, if you could tell that to Conrad and have him understand, I'd be grateful.
09-01-2010, 05:04 PM
Montros

HA he got shot!!!
09-01-2010, 05:05 PM
Richie_B

Sorry for going back a bit but I'm only reading this thread for the first time now.

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Originally Posted by Montros

After re-reading the website you showed me, I believe this man does not understand the works of the world, and, most of all, nature.

Humans are at the top of the food chain. There is practically no-one over us on this Planet Earth. There is no animalistic reason as to why our population should decrease. There are no predators to kill us for food, and it is practically impossible for our population to decrease naturally, unless we decided to begin killing thousands of people each day.

Once a country reaches the economic stage 5 of the demographic transition model, it's population will invariably decline due to families focusing on material goods rather than having lots of children. To a lesser extent, family planning and more women in full time employment play their part in this. Germany is an example of a country with a natural population decrease.
09-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by acer5200

Then by all means, go into a crowded movie theater and start screaming about a fire. Or how about you advocate a race war at a rally, telling people to hurt others. Or you can go threaten somebody with violence.

... I see your point...

But other than that, you can say whatever you want, right?
09-01-2010, 05:06 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by Rota

Control of the media has nothing to do with communism. That is a product of the corruption in the leadership of faux-communist governments.

True communism has NO government, and no media controls. True communism is simply a community of people working toward the common good. It's a society made of only selfless people. Almost every piece of fiction featuring utopian society, shows that society as communistic. Real communism is idealistic. But, it is not humanly possible, because of human nature.

Aww, Rota! You ruined my discussion.

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Originally Posted by acer5200

Then by all means, go into a crowded movie theater and start screaming about a fire. Or how about you advocate a race war at a rally, telling people to hurt others. Or you can go threaten somebody with violence.

Do one of those and tell the cops about your Freedom of Speech. Please. Do it.

Now, if you could tell that to Conrad and have him understand, I'd be grateful.

Lol.

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Originally Posted by Montros

HA he got shot!!!

Expressing amusement at someone getting shot. Terrorist!!!!1one!!!1
09-01-2010, 05:09 PM
acer5200

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Originally Posted by Montros

... I see your point...

But other than that, you can say whatever you want, right?

There's at least 7 forms of speech that are illegal in the US. I don't remember them all though.
09-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Richie_B

Sorry for going back a bit but I'm only reading this thread for the first time now.

Once a country reaches the economic stage 5 of the demographic transition model, it's population will invariably decline due to families focusing on material goods rather than having lots of children. To a lesser extent, family planning and more women in full time employment play their part in this. Germany is an example of a country with a natural population decrease.

Also Japan is another model of the Natural Population decrease, due to less Children and more elders.

But this is just a few Countries. Do you really think the whole world will go through Population decrease AT THE SAME TIME? If one Country starts losing people, its most likely that other countries may increase or even benefit from the loss of the other country. Money doesn't disappear, you know. It shifts from place to place.
09-01-2010, 05:10 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by acer5200

There's at least 7 forms of speech that are illegal in the US. I don't remember them all though.

Conspiracy to commit a crime, slandering another for race/religion/etc., inciting a panic, and I forget the rest.
09-01-2010, 05:12 PM
DeSalvionjr

Radio says "situation has been resolved"
09-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

Conspiracy to commit a crime, slandering another for race/religion/etc., inciting a panic, and I forget the rest.

You can't say "Bomb" on an Aircraft.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb, bomb bomb.

Basically you can't say stuff that'll endanger other people.
09-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Rota

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Originally Posted by Richie_B

Once a country reaches the economic stage 5 of the demographic transition model, it's population will invariably decline due to families focusing on material goods rather than having lots of children. To a lesser extent, family planning and more women in full time employment play their part in this. Germany is an example of a country with a natural population decrease.

To put this completely bluntly...
When education goes up, birth rates go down. When wealth goes up, birth rates go down.

Educated people can find intellectual pursuits to entertain them. Rich people can afford a lifestyle that entertains them.

Poor and uneducated people have one form of entertainment that will always be free. Since they can't afford a TV with 500 channels, and have no interest in reading... they will entertain themselves other ways. These "other ways" result in increasing birth rates.

Yes, that is callous. Yes, there are TONS of exceptions to the rule. But, statistics prove it. Money and education allow you to find entertainment beside increasing birth rates.
09-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Montros

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Originally Posted by DeSalvionjr

Radio says "situation has been resolved"

= The Dude just got shot by police
09-01-2010, 05:14 PM
brownchocolate

Out of all the places to hold people hostage why discovery channel? I would robbed mcdonalds....gotta get my damn chicken mcnuggets
09-01-2010, 05:15 PM
Demonhero

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Originally Posted by Montros

You can't say "Bomb" on an Aircraft.

Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb, bomb bomb.

Basically you can't say stuff that'll endanger other people.

That's classed under inciting a panic. Did i mention i love bunnies and flowers and think everyone in this thread is great!
09-01-2010, 05:16 PM
brownchocolate

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Originally Posted by Demonhero

That's classed under inciting a panic.Did i mention i love bunnies and flowers and think everyone in this thread is great!

Actaully i say bomb bomb bomb on airplanes all the time. No one hears me though ;)
09-01-2010, 05:17 PM
DeSalvionjr

Ok, I checked and Maryland police snipers just shot him... He is still alive but his condition is unknown...
09-01-2010, 05:19 PM
xRogueAngelx

well the discovery channel has shows on how to surrive in hostage situations
lets hope the employees paid attention.
09-01-2010, 05:19 PM
Richie_B

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Originally Posted by Montros

Also Japan is another model of the Natural Population decrease, due to less Children and more elders.

But this is just a few Countries. Do you really think the whole world will go through Population decrease AT THE SAME TIME? If one Country starts losing people, its most likely that other countries may increase or even benefit from the loss of the other country. Money doesn't disappear, you know. It shifts from place to place.

No I don't think they will all go through it at the same time. There are still many developing countries which are nowhere near this stage and possibly will never get there. I was simply pointing out that there was a way for natural population decrease after you said it was "practically impossible" and then went on to say "unless we started shooting thousands of people."
09-01-2010, 05:20 PM
brownchocolate

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Originally Posted by xRogueAngelx

well the discovery channel has shows on how to surrive in hostage situations
lets hope the employees paid attention.

They will probably be on the next hostage show
09-01-2010, 05:27 PM
Rodri

Nutjob, incompetent nutjob.

How long before a decent conspiracy theory is created? I blame the CIA, or the FBI, or maybe NBC.

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