It's funny how everyone who said what the Evony team did is wrong in this thread has been banned ^ ^
I am waiting my turn now lol
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It's funny how everyone who said what the Evony team did is wrong in this thread has been banned ^ ^
I am waiting my turn now lol
Thank goodness they actually try to fix the game, removing unintended exploits. Frankly anyone with half a brain knew a fix was coming.
WARNING up front!!!! This is my frustration being let out on the **MOD EDIT** who keep doing stupid **MOD EDIT**
Who the flying **MOD EDIT** would do something so stupid in a LIVE server. BETA... is to be the TEST server you **MOD EDIT**. Ive eatn your **MOD EDIT** stained sandwitches for too long.. Lag, missing gold, missing resources, missing qued armies and buildings, cant log on, being booted form the server, some of the crappiest loot from the Wheel. Now you go and waste 2 weeks of my time??????
I spent well over 2weeks Quein ballistas and Captureing, making Flats into NPC lvl 8s and 9s because you dingdongs decided to nerf food!!! So I do the usual, get up, shower, log on, send 4 waves of ballistas to get my daily food, go to work. COME HOME TO THIS **MOD EDIT**!!!! GET YOU HEADS out of your **MOD EDIT**!!! You can not make everyone happy. Stop listening to the MINORITY (new to the server) they came late, they will be destroyed, end of story move the **MOD EDIT** on!! Stop ruining the game for the rest of us on Server 1!!!
If your not **MOD EDIT** about this, you adviously didnt lose ballistas, or cant even produce enough to make a differance. 45k ballistas gone, 7200 Transports gone, 2500 catapults gone. EAT THE PEANUTS out of my **MOD EDIT** if you think thats ok!! Change something WITH OUT notice that would leave detrimental loses to the Evony communitee, dumb dumb dum!!
24 hour notice from here on out? Give me a friken break, I dont play this Crappy game to come to the forums every day to listen to noob1 **MOD EDIT** about this, or noob2 flaming someone for posting what they feel. DO IT IN GAME, since IT IS AN ONLINE GAME with an INGAME MAIL system!!
Sincerly,... NO FOFF
O'mighty!!
If that was the goal they should have gotten rid of the screen strategy(30k archer should not take an entire round to kill 1 pike)....notice I called it strategy not an exploit.
This is a strategy game and every time someone figures out a new strategy, the players that didn't figure it out whine and say it is unfair. So the moron developers change it, to an extreme. That is what is unfair. Isn't this a strategy game? Strategy should win.....not whining.
I have 325k plus prestige and am in one of the strongest alliances on all of the servers combined and I am done. I am currently trying to convince my entire alliance to quit and change games, and I don't think it is going to take much convincing. Maybe then the developers will get the message. They have ruined this game about 6 times already, it is now a ******* child of it's former self, and it is no longer fun to play.
I want to be clear, I am not mad about them trying to fix the battle mechanics, and that isn't why I am quitting. I am done because of the lack of communication, the untested patches, and constant changing of major game mechanics.
Congrats on ruining a pretty good game(at least it was about 6 or 7 versions ago).
Yeah and the games that are run well have a beta world to try out the patches before they just implement major changes to see how it will affect game play. Then they take feedback from players change the patch and then retest until it is right.........then they implement the patch.
Gotta admit, the change was to make rockfalls hit ballistas. Preferentially, I might add - adding thousands of warriors to shield a few hundred ballistas does nothing, the ballistas are always killed first. This means they didn't just change the range of rockfalls, they put in a special rule to make them kill ballistas first.
I lost 6250 ballistas before I figured this out. OK, them's the breaks. But how do you propose this "balanced army" is going to break a level 10 NPC? How do you suppose players of say, Earl rank are ever going to level, since they have to keep hitting high-level NPCs to get their medals? They'll have to throw away full armies to hit NPCs, which means that a process which used to take weeks will take many months.
I've already got my medals. But newbies aren't going to be able to make ranks past Baron in any reasonable time frame. And I might mention, this change to overpower rockfalls means that rolling logs are now useless, ballistas are almost useless, battering rams have always been useless, traps are useless (since they're more expensive than warriors who eat them), cavalry is useless except as fast transports, and cataphracts are useless because they're far too expensive and get killed against abatis. Abatis, it might be mentioned, are also useless because nobody's going to be attacking cities with cavalry. Very few of us have catapults, because we can't get the Michaelangelo's Scripts necessary to build the required buildings.
So what you've done here is eliminate most city battles. What the devs have promoted is squabbling over valleys. Kill all my valleys, see if I give a moon and sixpence. CITIES are what this game is about, and you're going to be hard-pressed to make a case for attacking one - there's simply no way you can haul off enough loot to pay for your losses now. It was already far too difficult to actually take an NPC city, now it's damn near impossible, and never a good idea economically.
If the change had been to simply make rocks hit ballistas LAST, after warriors/pikes/archers/whatever were killed first, then maybe this fix would have worked. It means people would have had to sacrifice thousands of warriors every time they attacked an NPC city, which is just fine. It would have eliminated the pure-ballista raid. But as usual, the Evony developers used a sledgehammer to crack an eggshell and completely over-did it.
Some of us are sitting on top of thousands of ballistas, waiting to see if this nerf is going to be partly reversed. Because if it isn't, those ballistas are useless - and it took many, many hours, and many, many barracks to build them.
Now, this isn't directed at you, Dawnseeker, as you can only communicate the information that has been communicated to you.
People have been complaining about the lack of communication from UMGE from the beginning (not sure when Evony/Civony first started, but it was at least one and a half months) and it took them until the middle of May to realize that they needed to hire people to communicate to their players (but it seemed to me that their liasons weren't informed of much either). And now, at least 2 months after they first started, they clue into the fact that players like to be informed of changes when they happen instead of several hours later?
Also, on a personal preference note, would you be able to pry information from them on the details of the change? For instance, higher walls give longer range is pretty vague. I'd appreciate details like, higher levelled walls add 5% range per level (or 10%, or whatever % it is) to the defender's range? I'm basically asking for at least as much detail about it as is shown for research technologies.
The same sort of secret as the patches? Your lot do whatever you feel like doing and then afterwards you tell us about it?
6-8 hours? Well, i can't control that, i have a life you know. I need to work for my money and to feed myself and the mrs... So yeah, you got me there.
Response is really cheap!
This is just a good way to promote turnover and kill customer loyalty.
Imagine spending a year building a rocket based on calculations taken from research, then you wake up the morning of the launch and the thing crashes, destroying all your effort, because God felt it was more fair (for the ones who hadn't bothered doing the same work) for him to redefine gravity to require different mechanics.
Can you tell me why an army that takes a month to train should not be perfectly capable of obliterating a defense that was thrown together in 12 hours?
The playing field WAS level; everyone had the same opportunities. Now, however, the research and effort of the more-creative players (you know, the ones who have been here all along, the ones who invited their friends to join the game, the ones who first spread the word about civony?) is thrown away for the sake of what? To console the lazy?
Well, on to farming other players I guess. If I bother to keep playing, that is.
Just so you know, Dawnseeker, what you guys over there don't seem to understand is that once someone buys into something they expect to receive what they bought, not something that's going to constantly pull the rug out from under their feet. Again, if you want to make revisions do so by applying them to NEW RELEASES and NEW SERVERS only... don't pull the rug from under us mid stream like this.
I still say this is the best response.
http://bbs.evony.com/showpost.php?p=112340&postcount=1
Next big "fix"... 2,000 people whine when catapults that took 2 months to acquire can conquer the warriors they trained overnight, so now we'll have to "fix" it by making warriors impervious to catapult attacks.
There is absolutely no reason that siege weapons shouldn't overcome wall defenses. If people would have given some thought instead of whining they would have realzied that had they trained a few thousand Cataphracts, which takes less time than ballistae, they would have run out & made short work of the ballistae as they were preoccupied firing on the archer towers.
Lets be sure to leave no good accomplishments unpunished in this game, shall we?
Actually I think they're trying to get dollars out of folks for the 'free game' to help pay for the lawsuit that's undoubtedy gonna be slapped on them from Sid for copywrite infringement. LOL
Cataphract take less time to build than ballista? On which server? I'm no where near maxed on construction. Takes a half hour to build a cataphract, correct? That's 8 in 4 hours. I can build, at my lvl, 12 ballista in less than 4 hours. Not sure how you figure 8 is more than 12 but then I ain't a math wiz and I use base 10 in my adding and subtracting.
The Evony team really should start catering to the dullards, for a small fee. Even if they started charging just a single 'dolare' for every dullard on these forums. They'd have a lot of dullard's 'dolares'. Of course, they'd have to figure out the conversion rate of dullard 'dolares' to 'dollars'.
At least a day?
I'd prefer a week in advance but i guess this is a nice start.
Haha, This guy...amuses me to no end, I swear it.
I actually think that he's under order to argue with us in favor of the devs.
I'm certainly not a 24/7er, I simply keep Evony open in a FF tab and play when necessary. Does this make me a 24/7er? A greiver? A ganker? (what that is, I'm not sure.)
I play my fair share and I want my cut of enjoyment. What you call exploits, I call strategies. For them to just be cut and folded out of the game is ridiculous no matter how you look at it.
Furthermore, some of these players that are quitting now have spent hundreds (thousands) of dollars on this game, and they're now being driven away by these...fixes.
Also, these fixes aren't "Evening the playing field" an incredible amount either, since higher-up players are attacking weaker players, not necessarily even for food anymore, mainly just out of spite.
At any rate I stand by my point that these mods are nothing more than simply lousy, untested number-juggling. I don't care how "long and hard" the devs had to work to screw this game up, but unless they're doing something productive, it's probably best that they just kick back and relax before they nerf something else...although not many things come to mind that are left.
Are your dev's nuts?!!! I mean, are they trying to drive this game into the ground??? Tell them if they want to see how a game can go to the crapper from these types of changes, keep making them, because i am giving this game 3 months max, and there won't be but the daily few newbies who register to see what the game is about, and after playing for a week, maybe even two, they too will leave this game and never come back. Why don't the dev's listen to the players? Some of us have some amazing idea's on how to make this game fair... how to improve what isn't that great, and most of us have been gaming for years, and know these types of games very well. Dang, sad sad sad, i really used to enjoy Evony.
I think the same... you should do somethink with the game but what hmm that is the question
Too little, too late, Dawnseeker. I know you're just the go-between, and I'd REALLY hate to be in your shoes right now, but please, for the love of all that's holy, DON'T INSULT OUR INTELLIGENCE. It's been weeks since we received a system mail where the devs apologized for the lack of communication and promised to work on that. It had to come down to this for you to FINALLY realize your communication skills are NON-EXISTANT and promise (once again) to change that?
By the way, making smart-ass comments such as "it's a secret", while clearly meant to be humorous, are not amusing. For ONCE, COME CLEAR! The patch notes are vague as all hell, at best. I understand that language can be a terrible barrier to overcome, but hey, English is not my first - or even my second - language, but I try as best I can to convey my points CLEARLY.
I'm sorry, I've lost all faith. "Shoot first, apologize MUCH later" has been the motto of this company, and I don't see it changing any time soon, no matter how much you reassure us of the opposite.
I assume the one who knows wont tell for now the code :]
Their 50 game cents won't buy back my trust on the devs. At best, I can spend them on the WoF. Oh wait, I forgot. They kinda sorta broke that, too.
Hmmmm, This patch reminds me of the US government...
Some minority voice out there says that it's not fair that the "haves" have what they've got, and the "have nots" who are to lazy to figure it out, shouldn't get it for free...lol
Funny how an asian company resembles the US government so well...
~Tease~
I joined a few days before the game came outta Beta. As I've been playing various types of online games for many years I learned a long time ago that when a game exits Beta it doesn't mean there isn't a load of things that are going to be changed in the next year. I also learned that sometimes the changes make the game better and sometimes they make the game worse. Over compensating for a perceived imbalance means nothing but that you've moved the imbalance. You haven't fixed anything. I also learned that if you spend money on a game that radically overcompensates for an imbalance, and moves from any semblance of reality with that overcompensation (siege weapons moving into range? How ridiculous), you could be throwing your money down a rathole. Experience can be a hard teacher. I have experience.
I've spent no money on the game. I won't spend any money on the game unless I see more communication out of the devs and a much more logical and realistic approach to battlefield conditions and to correcting inbalances. I am a patient person and am willing to give a game a chance but my patience isn't limitless. Kindly get your act together or I'll be moving on to Evercrack or WoW or something different.
Folks, first let me say i am as angry as everyone else about these changes. I can't feed my armies and when i run out of food i will probably just quit and move on.
However, i think people are being unnecessarily cruel to Dawnseeker who is likely just doing her job and relaying information as soon as she gets it (i could be wrong, but am kind enough to give benefit of the doubt). I also imagine there is no reason to tell her to get a life when the time she spends on this board, taking abuse today, is likely a job. If so, I imagine she hates her job at this very moment even if she won't admit it. ;)
We are all angry and upset, and rightly so, but let's not take it out on the messenger, eh?
jeez everyones so upset. its called a nerf. and a necessary one. if you dont like it find something else to play because i dont like u cheezin a buncha ballistas anyhow.
You have created a problem for me feeding my army, here is my solution. Every small to midsized player within 10 miles of any of my cities is doomed. I will conquer them or drive them out of the game and turn their flats or cities into level 5 barbarians so that I can effectively farm them. It will take time, but I will sustain my army on the few level 5 barbs close by and what I can plunder. You have destroyed all the small gamers any where close to me on any of the 3 servers I play. I hope that is in line with what your intent was, because as I see it, it is the only recourse you have left me after the moronic changes made this morning.
Michael
Kiss my ass... too little too late.. you have lost my confidence in your ability to want transparency and legitimate intercourse betwene game developer and game consumer.
I spent over $100 for in game coins... only to get the shaft by the dev's and ignored...
I an EXCEPTIONALLY agitated at the indifference and lack of care/concern by the game providers.
Had you CARED at all.. you would have put up a test server and released notes about CHANGES prior to going live. Instead, you pass yet ANOTHER patch at 4am (when the majority of players in USA are sleeping) and then let us find out by continuing to play the game by the existing rules/normal game mechanics... only to find out that our ballista DIE when they used to be fine.
You devs made this game what it is. You later revealed to us that we were members of a beta test, long after we all had assumed that we were 'LIVE' as your website and advertisements had declared... only to find out that we're forgotten and ignored... as you continue to put in stealth-nerf-patches and devalue and deflate the hard work that your STRONG player base has committed and invested in this game.
So.... it is my personal and professionally opinion that the game is progressing AS INTENDED. There is no excuse as to why a professional game developer would not release notes on major game changes (such as changes to the game economy or game mechanics of combat) prior to sending those changes live onto the servers. This is as intended. The developers have expended more time and energy promoting the 'queen of evony' project.. than they have promoting real changes to game mechanics...
Case in chief:
Civony becomes Evony. The game participants were unaware that we were members of a beta test or unfinished project. Many of us had fallen in love with and supported the game by spending $$$ on it.
At first, it was a novelty to think that we had been members of a beta test... then came the changes.. without input or prior knowledge.
First came the medal nerf. We had to endure 10 days (give or take) of gameplay without ANY input from the dev staff. Gazza and Thor scrambled to try and appease the player base with promisses of “well, they're in a different time zone” or “we will here from them shortly on these changes, be patient...”
Then came the 'Queen of Evony' blitz. A juvenile attempt to distract the player base with fanfair player pictures of scantily clad young women, prostrating themselves for the favor of all Evony in a high school prom queen fanfair publicity stunt.. all the while, the coders and the devs were pumping out nerfs to the game, knowingly adding them to the servers without warning or prior knowledge...
The first nerf: medals. Followed by npc town refresh rates. The players who used this game dynamic to it's full potential became demonized and ignored by the devs and forum monkey-mods. This sealed the deal on any new player being able to compete or close the gap with players who had been on Evony since going “live” (which we all now know is bull$h1t).
Then came this last nerf at 5am... the stealth patch which changed npc town defenses. It completed the evisceration of the player base who have supported evony since it was Civony... our armies decimated, unable to feed them.. and now our ballista wiped out without warning due to a stealth-nerf.
I'm done.. I will revile in watching Evony dwindle and die out like so many other great games... games which began strong, and through greed and incompetent handling.. became utter garbage.
Of course.. this reply will be moderated and deleted.. but I'll save it and repost it again and again until truth overcomes stupidity.
Good bye Evony... this game once had potential to be awesome... and because of greed... the desire for the devs to sell overpriced game coins and items... this game has died...
GG. Evony.