LVL 5 NPC Ballastia only

Been continuing to experiment. Was able to do level 5 with 450 ballistas with both a 100 attack hero and 40 attack hero (to level int). The 100 attack hero took 58 rounds to win. The 40 attack hero took 68 rounds. This is about as far as i think I want to go with it as the more rounds it takes, the more variance there is due to the changes in opposing hero strength. Here are the two reports.

40 Attack Hero: http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...c2c17f0d47.xml

100 Attack Hero: http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...8287b092cf.xml

Archery 9
MT 9
IW 8
Medicine 7
HBR 9

I'm working on a theory about this too. This thread is very helpful...

But a couple of basic questions: how are you varying the HB level ... assume it's different people from same clan, but want to be sure...

Also, how do you look up a hero's attributes from their name/battle report?

Thanks

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Originally Posted by erod550

This is about as far as i think I want to go with it as the more rounds it takes, the more variance there is due to the changes in opposing hero strength. Here are the two reports.

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Consider the implications ... the ONLY possible explanation for this observed result is that hero attack is affecting the speed of advance, otherwise you would see similar levels of variations regardless of the number of rounds.

I've long suspected that you get things faster when you transport with a hero vs. without, but I've never worked it out. Anyone have a model/data on that? Would be relevant to the current problem.

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Originally Posted by Ephreem

Nemo, what lvl are you hitting?

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Lvl of what ? If you mean the lvl of the NPC hes attacking the look at the thread title :O. This thread is about lvl 5 NPC and maybe if specified some lvls 4

This is mine.

Hero attk lvl 90
Archery lvl 8
Military Tra lvl 8
Iron Working lvl 8
Compass lvl 7
Horse lvl 2
Medicine lvl 7

I sent 600 ballistae and lost 32
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...c43ed26a8b.xml

My friend have only one more than me in medicine and hero with 13 more attk and he only sent 480 with no losses :S

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Originally Posted by Ephreem

Nemo, what lvl are you hitting?

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well considering this is the LVL 5 NPC Ballastia [SIC] only thread, i'm attacking a level 5 NPC City with only Ballista

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Originally Posted by cine042

I'm working on a theory about this too. This thread is very helpful...

But a couple of basic questions: how are you varying the HB level ... assume it's different people from same clan, but want to be sure...

Also, how do you look up a hero's attributes from their name/battle report?

Thanks

Also:

Consider the implications ... the ONLY possible explanation for this observed result is that hero attack is affecting the speed of advance, otherwise you would see similar levels of variations regardless of the number of rounds.

I've long suspected that you get things faster when you transport with a hero vs. without, but I've never worked it out. Anyone have a model/data on that? Would be relevant to the current problem.

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The explanation for the observed result is that the ballistas did less damage with the lower attack hero, thus taking them more rounds to kill everything, not anything to do with the speed of advance. I'm not sure how you're inferring that at all.

There's nowhere to find the specific attributes of a hero from the attack report. All you can see is the hero's level. I know what the attack rating of the hero was for those attacks because they are my heroes and I know who I sent which time.

Transporting with or without a hero does not affect travel time whatsoever. Heroes do not affect the speed of anything, whether in battle or in transports.

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Originally Posted by erod550

The explanation for the observed result is that the ballistas did less damage with the lower attack hero, thus taking them more rounds to kill everything, not anything to do with the speed of advance. I'm not sure how you're inferring that at all.

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That's not what was said above. Well, maybe I misunderstood what he was saying... but I stand by the notion that even if its the defensive hero attribute changing the size of the window of "attack out of range", you are going to be more or less likey to hit it based on the attack attribute of your hero. I could certainly be wrong, but its consistent with results Ive seen where low level heros seem to hit the window where higher rank hereos get hosed.

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There's nowhere to find the specific attributes of a hero from the attack report. All you can see is the hero's level. I know what the attack rating of the hero was for those attacks because they are my heroes and I know who I sent which time.

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Well, I know I can look up the attributes of player hero's... I guess you're saying I can't look up the attributes of NPC heros. :(

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Transporting with or without a hero does not affect travel time whatsoever. Heroes do not affect the speed of anything, whether in battle or in transports.

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I don't think that's right for the reasons stated above, and a few others I won't go into...

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Originally Posted by erod550

Was that level 6 after the 6/10 patch?

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Yes it was. Prior to patch, I suffered no loss against lvl 6.

Hello!


Hero attk lvl 103
Archery lvl 9
Military Tra lvl 9
Iron Working lvl 8
Compass lvl 7
Horse lvl 5
Medicine lvl 8

everything from 700 to 1500 ballistaes brings me loss of around 45 ballistaes.

I thought about a calculation but i must have a mistake somewhere.

My ballis range with lvl9 archery should be 2070.
NPCs archer towers range should be 1950.

ballis speed with HR is 125. starting range is 5000. so my troops advance like 24times (24*125=3000) and are at 2000. this should be in range for my ballis but out of range for the archer towers. why do i loose troops?

thx guys


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seems like they are killed by cavalery and infantry :)

Hero Att - 110

Military tradition 8
Iron Working 8
Compass 8
Horseback 7
Archery 9
Medicine 8

I took 32 losses with 500 ballista. See below.

battle2.evony.com/default.html?logfile/2e/3e/38/c5/2e3e38c5e071ea7b96ce30d22fb0a270.xml

I took 40 odd losses with 1200 ballista the other day.

Anyone come to a conclusion yet?