Playing Taps for the $$

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Originally Posted by Hehe

Economically? Or generally?

And what, we've just disappeared? :)

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lets say: all three ...

Economically, Socially, GeoPolitically [not politically, there's a difference] and plus any other way to measure the state of the world you choose to apply. :)

and lets say umm...

No we have not dissappear'd but JDGAFAF no more, the UN has disbanded and set up shop in a Yet to be Named Nation, and the band of Four, GB, FR, DU [down under] and US have formed its own Trade Syndicate called the DGAFAF which stands for: Down Under, Great Brittain, America, France And Friends. :p

So in essence taken out of the equation. ;)

in five year increments. state what your view of the history of the future might be. :D

2011 - Current situation.
2016 - The world ended in 2012, so the world isn't doing great :p

Explain Geopolitcally :)
And what is the J for in the first line? :)

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Originally Posted by Hehe

2011 - Current situation.
2016 - The world ended in 2012, so the world isn't doing great

Ah hah! the old Myan Calender ... no? ok =)

Explain Geopolitcally

See below:

And what is the J for in the first line?

Just

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Geopolitical ... well

for the sake of the topic at hand I will illustrate using maps

Map one is a map of the whole earth in daylight, no borders, topographical ...

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/dooodmap.gif

hey I can see Rota's house from here ... rite ------^ there.

Map two ... earth at night ... still no borders ... lights are on ...

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...rth_lights.gif

Well I think its cool

Map three is a map of the earth on a popular ws represents who's online ...

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...-world-map.png

still there are no borders

Now here is one that is of a person who sailed around the world. use of a geopolitical map, Map four ... one with borders, up to date...

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...t/sailinbg.jpg

and the ocean floor .... always look for atlantis when I see maps like these..

Map five is as close to the present time I could find. Who is the protaganist and who is the antagonist does not matter, for the sake of the current projected history of the future discussion but it can make a good starting point ... this truly is a geopolitical map ..

http://i896.photobucket.com/albums/a...derngeomap.jpg


What I am asking is, in five year increments whose gonna bust whose butt, whose gonna be neutral unless attacked and whose a gonna go take care of what needs to be taken care of, ... barring the world dont come to the end on Dec 23, 2012. and Elvis aint made King of the world post mordum. that is also if the DGAFAF stays out of it.

NEW PROBLEM IN GOVERNMENT:
URGENT!!!

NFL Might not be a go in the season this year.
Unless some decision is made. I hope they do so.
I am a DIEHARD steelers fan.

I think you over-rate the importance of Australia in any global decision-making process. We are a former English colony and are still ruled by the Queen of England and we have only ever been a bit-player in any global processes. Our strong alliances with the USA and Great Britain are the strongest influences on our external decision-making process.

Historically, the real powers are European and include Germany, Russia, England and the Netherlands. The Swiss are the bankers of Europe and so they have a seat at the table, as do a few other wealthy, traditional European nations.

The shift in economic fortune and the shift in power are linked and China is going to be the new kid on the block. The USA went to Afghanistan, which is historically a place where empires go to die. We could talk about why that area of Central Asia is so important and so difficult to control if you like but let's just say that it is geo-politically the most important place on the surface of the planet. There are hidden powers that work to keep any one nation from controlling that region and keeping it in a state of conflict.

Sorry about the bad economic news but I sort of told everyone it was going to happen some time ago.

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I think you over-rate the importance of Australia in any global decision-making process. We are a former English colony and are still ruled by the Queen of England and we have only ever been a bit-player in any global processes. Our strong alliances with the USA and Great Britain are the strongest influences on our external decision-making process.

Historically, the real powers are European and include Germany, Russia, England and the Netherlands. The Swiss are the bankers of Europe and so they have a seat at the table, as do a few other wealthy, traditional European nations.

The shift in economic fortune and the shift in power are linked and China is going to be the new kid on the block. The USA went to Afghanistan, which is historically a place where empires go to die. We could talk about why that area of Central Asia is so important and so difficult to control if you like but let's just say that it is geo-politically the most important place on the surface of the planet. There are hidden powers that work to keep any one nation from controlling that region and keeping it in a state of conflict.

Sorry about the bad economic news but I sort of told everyone it was going to happen some time ago.

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Historically, we used to spend the most money by far in the US. We should have saved it up instead of wasting money on UFO detector plants. It cost a couple hundred million dollars. Yes, that's nothing right? Why are we spending huge amounts on money on something that isn't even important! Give me a break.

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I think you over-rate the importance of Australia in any global decision-making process. We are a former English colony and are still ruled by the Queen of England and we have only ever been a bit-player in any global processes. Our strong alliances with the USA and Great Britain are the strongest influences on our external decision-making process.

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Actually, its not her global decision making process that is warranted, its more due to the fact that ya'll were with us in WW2, korea, the Nam, and all three gulf thangs.

Also, my friend Digger is down there, and one just dont leave a friend behind.

Plus ya'll know how to kick ass should any aggressors try to kick ya'll ass.

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Historically, the real powers are European and include Germany, Russia, England and the Netherlands. The Swiss are the bankers of Europe and so they have a seat at the table, as do a few other wealthy, traditional European nations.

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True enough, however, out of that list I would only choose England and the Netherlands to sit at the DGAFAF table. I would also invite Thailand, Belgium, Chile, Costa Rica, the Mal Dives, Norway, Malaysia, Belize, Columbia, Sweden, Madagascar, Iceland, Singapore, GIE Tibet, Finland, Taiwan, South Africa, Borneo, Bangladesh, New Zealand, Seirra Leon [sp], Liberia, Phillipians, and possible Myramar on a probative scale.

That would leave Russia, China, Switzerland, Germany et al, to take care of what needs to be taken care of. In their own way and to not interfere in how they go about doing it either, lest they become aggresive on any of the sitters of the DGAFAF table.

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The shift in economic fortune and the shift in power are linked and China is going to be the new kid on the block

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Good. That dont hurt nuffin. I am not of the school that China is a bad guy. Yeah sure they have human violation probs, but who dont? Historically China has always been the big kid on the block, just like India. So congrats to China. kindof like the song by the who..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q

The who ~ meet the new boss, same as the old boss

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The USA went to Afghanistan, which is historically a place where empires go to die. We could talk about why that area of Central Asia is so important and so difficult to control if you like but let's just say that it is geo-politically the most important place on the surface of the planet. There are hidden powers that work to keep any one nation from controlling that region and keeping it in a state of conflict.

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Yes, very much would like to discuss this, for I feel it is germain to the discussion at hand.

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Sorry about the bad economic news but I sort of told everyone it was going to happen some time ago.

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I think I do remember. got trolled more than I have.

I will say this however, though I know he half took this thread serious, yet the answer to why the dollar is waning is found hidden in FireTalon's quote ...

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Historically, we used to spend the most money by far in the US. We should have saved it up instead of wasting money on UFO detector plants. It cost a couple hundred million dollars. Yes, that's nothing right? Why are we spending huge amounts on money on something that isn't even important! Give me a break.

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The only one really to break it down to its diastolic seed.

So FireTalon you git a free cookie with your next cup of coffee. :D

The significance of that region of Central Asia is one of geography and resources. Historically, if you could control that region, you could theoretically control 2/3 of the world's land mass with ground forces. More significant in our times is the fact that the whole region is one giant oil basin and that makes it a prize worth taking but if you try then every other competing interest will be turned against you, either openly or in secret, to thwart you from your goal.

Global politics is messy stuff and is not really carried out by politicians. They might think they are making the decisions but as happened in Japan prior to WWII, others were really pulling the strings.

^ I agree on all bullet points, that is why I have not included them in the group.

Even Alexander the Great had a snit of a time trying to exert force in that region.

I hope the best for them, but there comes a time when what's what is what's what. especially in light of recent events. -.o

The ocean however is wide open. A well formed, disciplined naval force can control access to any land mass. There-in lies the purpose of the list's vague prerequisite of access to a shoreline. As with the above's choke point, the lists strategically exists to weather the coming storms.

Those hidden powers you speak of, be them burgers, or illums or rosers, or charley's motley cruwe, will have to intensify negotiations. Power held by them would be disrupted. and as Digger points out, if the 2/3rds fell because they couldnt get the job done which needs to be done, and fall into decay, pockets of survivors possibly could form up into City States, and those into a hedgepoge Conglomerate leading to some sort of Empire, such as the ancient Roman's had. when the dust settles of course. It is not beyond logic to think that this could be the history of the future. [hypothetically of course]

I would or could see that in 2041 the established "Empires" would be

The Slavic/Rusk Magistratum
The Suleiman Caliphate
China
The United Sovereign States of Africa
The Amazon Protectorate
The European Hegemony Trade Union
The Moon, Independent Free Colony [IFC]
Canada
The Indian/Sri Lankan Sultanate
Japanese/IndoCino Empire

and The Affiliation of Free Nations formally known as the jDGAFAFnm group :cool:

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The Slavic/Rusk Magistratum

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What is a magistratum, and why would this be attractive to the Slavs? Is this all Slavs or just some? For example, does this include the Czechs? You know, the Russians really aren't that popular in Central Europe.

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The Suleiman Caliphate

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I think I agree that Turkey will increasingly be an important pole in the international system, but I would be amazed if it turned out to be a stridently Islamic one and a revanchist Ottoman one to boot.

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The Indian/Sri Lankan Sultanate

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Under what circumstances would Islam be the dominant religion in India within the next three decades?