Global Warming - Really a Scam?

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Originally Posted by Rodri

Raster, energy is contained in every atom and is pumped at us in huge amounts every day from our nearest star. It really could be free.

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I'm all for free energy, Rodri. Also nice to see you again. I would like to see massive solar panels surrounding the moon or maybe we could create our own solar panel covered celestial object from materials mined from Mars and place it in orbit around the Earth. Or cold fusion, let's crack that nut.

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Originally Posted by Reasoner

Global warming IS a natural cycle, how ever it has been documented and recorded (cant find the graphs again) that since the usual peak of the warming part, instead of decreasing like it's usual it continues, no drop like usual.

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The most reliable way of documenting past climate change is by analyzing the chemical make up of water taken from ice core samples from the poles of the Earth. Giant drills dig into ice that has been in a frozen state for hundreds of thousands of years, pull up a sample and look at what is in it. Unfortunately the farthest back in time we've been able to accurately see is something like 800,000 years.

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Originally Posted by SickbyDefinition

I get where you're coming from.

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Even though everyone says we totally disagree, we really don't. We just expressed it a little differently. We both are concerned about the same things and scared and worried and probably choose to ignore it most of the time except for situations like this where we feel the need to puff up our chests and yell at people for thinking stupid things about stuff they don't know.

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Originally Posted by Rodri

ok.
You don't have to be a scientist to figure out that chopping down forrests, which capture CO2 and then burning fossil fuels, which produces CO2 is not good for any of us.

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You know what's funny is that exposed rocks are carbon sinks. They capture CO2 by weathering and eroding, so some of the way way out there extremists claim that we can cut down as many trees as we want and burn as much fossil fuel as we want and an increase in temperature will balance out this change in our atmosphere for us by exposing previously ice-covered rocks which will suck out just as much CO2 as all the trees we cut down to make copies of Larry Flint's Barely Legal.

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Originally Posted by Reasoner

I'll probably get back to this again when I'm not falling asleep on my keyboard. Global warming IS a natural cycle, how ever it has been documented and recorded (cant find the graphs again) that since the usual peak of the warming part, instead of decreasing like it's usual it continues, no drop like usual. In my opinion it is worst then previous encounters with the warming, but it isn't so severe that the media did/does make, I'm pretty sure they said we would be underwater right now. DONT disconcern the green crap though just because of this.... The sham is collecting money for it, but there is truth behind some of the info, I suggest some of it be heeded...

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You can't just make statements like that without presenting evidence and I have looked at the temperature records presented in the international report on climate change and then compared them to longer records from the same weather stations and guess what?

The truth is that during the period from late 1940's through to the early 1980's, the world was in a period of much cooler temperatures on average than the average over a full 200 year period of recording. The early 1900's were on average much warmer than the average temperatures now.

Now, climate and weather are two different things and although they are linked, the truth is that the proponents of 'manmade warming' are standing outside on the hottest summer day saying: "It's getting hotter. We need to do something now! Can't you feel how hot it is?" and to me, that's just Chicken Little running around screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!".

I can see why and I can see how and although the why is (mostly) good, the how is very bad.

The thing about global warming is,itll happen no matter what. The scary thing about it is, we are causing it to happen alot quicker than it should. Increased carbon Dioxide levels and all that other junk are causing the temperature to rise faster than what is natural. We may not know for sure, but we can take an educated guess that humans are speeding up the rate.

Global Warming is real!!!

It's called Summer.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

The most reliable way of documenting past climate change is by analyzing the chemical make up of water taken from ice core samples from the poles of the Earth. Giant drills dig into ice that has been in a frozen state for hundreds of thousands of years, pull up a sample and look at what is in it. Unfortunately the farthest back in time we've been able to accurately see is something like 800,000 years.

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Yea, that carbon dating thing....

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Originally Posted by Rodri

You can't just make statements like that without presenting evidence and I have looked at the temperature records presented in the international report on climate change and then compared them to longer records from the same weather stations and guess what?


The truth is that during the period from late 1940's through to the early 1980's, the world was in a period of much cooler temperatures on average than the average over a full 200 year period of recording. The early 1900's were on average much warmer than the average temperatures now.

Now, climate and weather are two different things and although they are linked, the truth is that the proponents of 'manmade warming' are standing outside on the hottest summer day saying: "It's getting hotter. We need to do something now! Can't you feel how hot it is?" and to me, that's just Chicken Little running around screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!".

I can see why and I can see how and although the why is (mostly) good, the how is very bad.

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It's been like 2 years since I saw the graph, but it was recorded with carbon dating ( I think...) that it was a steady roller coaster type ride until the industrial revolution. Then, instead of doing it's usal decrease it steadies in the pattern I'll edit the post with the graph if I can find it, but I am not guaranteeing anything. Right now I can't say I want to argue something I dont know much about heh.

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Originally Posted by Reasoner

Yea, that carbon dating thing....

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No, not at all crappy.

Carbon dating doesn't tell us anything about the climate of the past.

What they do is look at the chemical make up of the water on varying levels. Ice cores are like tree rings, they form levels on top of levels on top of levels. They can count the years and when they reach the year they would like to investigate they take the ice and look at how much oxygen/nitrogen/CO2/CO3/etc are present in the water and can accurately predict what was going on in the atmosphere how intense the greenhouse affect was, if any huge volcanoes exploded that year and what the temperature was and.............


Yeah, it's not carbon dating.

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Originally Posted by rasterbee

No, not at all crappy.

Carbon dating doesn't tell us anything about the climate of the past.

What they do is look at the chemical make up of the water on varying levels. Ice cores are like tree rings, they form levels on top of levels on top of levels. They can count the years and when they reach the year they would like to investigate they take the ice and look at how much oxygen/nitrogen/CO2/CO3/etc are present in the water and can accurately predict what was going on in the atmosphere how intense the greenhouse affect was, if any huge volcanoes exploded that year and what the temperature was and.............


Yeah, it's not carbon dating.

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Then at least one of my points weren't wrong >>

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Originally Posted by Reasoner

Right now I can't say I want to argue something I dont know much about heh.

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If you want to check some temperature records in graph form and see if you can spot warming trends this is a good site:

What The Stations Say

It has temperature records for the last century from all over the world and gives some interesting insights.

This one is from Casy Station in Antarctica and I can't see any warming trend there.
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/q...me55/casey.gif
It only goes to 2000 but you will notice that the avgerage summer temperatures for the last 5 years of the 20th century were lower than the overall average and if there has been a warming trend in the first decade of the 21st century at this station, it could just be normal variation back towards the overall seasonal average.

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Originally Posted by Rodri

Rodri's entire post

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uh....

I guess I have some research to redo. I've shouted out a lotta crap without backing it up. I believe what I said to be true because I have read it before but have nothing to post right now that would corraborate anything I've said and I'm in the middle of a 12 hour Aika grind so I'll do it later.

Rodri has provided an excellent piece of information. I am a firm believer in formulating your own opinions in matters of science, any report you could possibly read will inevitably be biased in one way or the other, and that bias may influence your decision sub-consciously. As such, I encourage all of you to, rather than reading second-hand reports and analyses, to take a direct look at the temperature data [and other similar information] and draw your own conclusions from it.

Personally, I believe that global warming is occurring, however the extent of our interference is questionable. Does this mean that we should continue on our current path of wanton waste and destruction, of course not. However, businessmen and politicians, Gore included, are trying to cash out on our fear of this phenomena through Carbon Credits and other such inventions that really do very little to solve the problem [assuming there is one of note to begin with]; and the media certainly isn't helping with its fear mongering, but then the media will be the media.