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I do not blame those who don't think this would work
The first part was meant for open gate and offline bots user
LOL. thats all I can say. I must be offline and botting when I close gates on sc bombs, then open on killable waves [rofl]
timing scouts right behind bombs has been a tactic for...ever.
most folks mass scouts in 1 city so you dont know if gates r open or shut.
and yes, I've hit bots and also been hit by them. Theres a difference however being hit by a clever player who times hits and those who bot. Usually its easy to spot a genuine player timing waves, cos a cpl will be pulled n resent if the timing isnt quite right.
Now those, I like playing cos it is genuine 1 on 1 :) battle of wits, camp timing rf in, gates n heals, vs well timed hits, cpl sc bombs etc etc and a good last min scout =)
sorry missed the main point of my reply......bots do what we do only quicker. so if gate is open, it more than likely will be shut if you want it open lol. or VV. Cant stand the damn things, but if you figure em out (which gets increasingly harder =( unfortunately) then you can plunder away.
Ok so you say they have their gate close .. so you just send as much troop needed to take out the army even if the gate is open ... some gate are meant to open on smaller wave but close on bigger wave ... im guessing if they have that much troops in there .. u must have a lot to go after him then and btw i was making a part 2 on close gate
Please start using correct grammar sometime. I about beat my brains to shreds trying to read that and gave up halfway through.
I think this thread is actually decent. In all my years never thought of setting a SB up with a cav and transporter wave right behind it to clear resources wave. Add to it and I might rep. :D
Saying you can win by sending a scout bomb at the same time as an archer wave is so wrong I shouldnt even be telling you. But I will. First off you know nothing about the new bots. They are set up by the player a smart player knows to have 2-1 swords or 3-1 or better warriors over archers and never has to close gates on scout bombs. Second a bot has a multiple attack setting too. If you send more then just a scout bomb it will open the gates if it can beat the archer wave. Second just because you take out someones walls who bots doesnt mean you can beat them. the bot will continue to que traps and abs and ats. and will continue to open gates. If they bot its likely they have a rather decent army in the town. There is a difference between a poorly set up botter and a good botter. Just like there are players good at defense and bad at defense.
Honestly most players dont have a clue what a bot can truely be set up to do. No offense to anyone but its true.
Assuming someone is a bot can get you hurt really fast. I pretend to not be online and I play 12-16 hours a day. If I need to leave for a long time I general truce just to avoid issues.
Not all players are created equal. Sometimes you gotta think outside the box. Its important to remember just because you dont know the system or how somethings done doesnt ness means its illegal or wrong.
Evony does things when they feel like doing it. All the complaining in the world wont make them do it faster. Unless you got some really solid proof someones botting dont report them. You might be targeted for botting or something yourself one day and wouldnt like it if somehow you were suspended or lost your account. Remember were all just playing a game. Every game will have people looking for the fastest and easy way to do things.
You wanna know why most reported players go into the trash can because to many people report people without proof or for no other reason then they cant beat you. If you cant beat someone report them in the hopes evony will put an end to them beating you at this game. The point is to have fun and enjoy the friendships and if you arent doing either or both then quit and find a new hobby where you wont feel so unhappy doing it.
It looks like an army, only smaller:)))
Some interesting tips here, thanks.
Anyone know how to get -16k spaces on a wall? a player on 154 was boasting he had that and I didn't understand what he meant.
you mean negative 16k? Seems quite impossible.
by getting compensated for being wrongfully suspended
I like it, but I think my major problem is, that often people do bot and also they have account sitter. I dont know exactly how bots react to someone login the account, as I never used one, but the fact is, that the scoutbomb may provoke someone to log in.
Also one problem may be the server lag, which can kill the timing completely at times, it just messed my attacks the other day that they landed in really messed up order.
Also there are different types of bots round there, and some may work differently than others. so not sure there is a universal approach.
But it is overall decent guide for someone who does not know what to do.
When you are perfect, then feel free to come back and criticise me :P
The sb tactic with trans waves has been around a long time by the way as have any number of varying tactics designed to beat bots, and these evolve all the time, along with the bot tactics. There was one recently that had a glitch (now fixed unfortunately) that allowed you to send a scout trans wave in just the right combination that gates would remain shut for you to plunder away merrily. It took about 24 hours for a new release to overcome that one , more's the pity.
The OP seems to have lost sight of the fact that there are multitudes of bots and multitudes of settings a bot user can have and there is no "one size fits all" method. Whilst I welcome folks trying to find ways of beating these hideous autohelpers, the original post takes a far too simplistic view of the problem to come up with a solution which results in something that would defeat very very few bots, especially one where the user has configured it at least half decently.
The bots will shift resources around, shift troops around, build walls constantly etc etc.
If only the solution offered DID work for every bot, we would all be laughing and the bots would be no more :P
I read the posting three times and none of it made sense to me.
Nothing stops botters like getting their cities sacked and pillaged. Keep fighting the good fight!
Doesn't really stop them just like it doesn't really stop normal players...
Beat a bot, or beat a city that is being botted that has multiple feeders and many configs for troop and res support... ?! Nevermind quickly.
...take note that there are programs being used to allow bots to function across multiple accounts for RFing and such...
Good luck. You only beat a botter when they don't know what they're doing... AKA, they're dumb and cannot read the instructions....
Just some thoughts.
Updated on part 2 comment if something is wrong or if its helpful.
Some people were wrongfully banned from the game and they way evony compensated them was to give them extra walls.........so if you had 15k ats and they gave you 10k ats, you now have 25k ats, hence the negative walls. but once you kill the extras they cant rebuild them, back to normal they go
I still want to know why your saying if the gates close they are botting........online players also can close gates for incoming attacks.
op didnt see you already explained it................ow well
It should read
I think account sitting is by far more prevalent than botting is. I haven't been involved in a single alliance where people haven't shared login information in order for their cities to get comforted whe under attack.
Account sitting is, by far, one of the most common activities which is technically against the TOS that most players engage in.
My POV is, if it does all the things a player does (move troops, resources, build walls n shyte) just act as if it were a player. Kill him off like you would kill off a player... Tho i heard bots comfort regardless of the cooldown so that sux. I havent yet played that much to go against one since i was on a long break, and back in the days there were no bots so dont hate if im wrong..
Thread should be labeled...
"" How to beat a bot ONLY if the bot user is not familiar with the ability of the bot they're using""
My point...
No matter how many methods you deploy to beat a bot user, the bot user will create a solution to your methods.
the only true method to eliminating bots/macros are to fix the servers hosting the game and perhaps create a warden, something to scan a specific version that is released daily; Simple command line that creates a version with a variable.
Why not do versions check? I mean it isn't hard at all; literally 3 days work at most and that is giving MORE than enough time. Version checker is when the server scans your flash browser to check the current version of the game. Let?s say Evony listened to smart people for once and added this technique.
When you log on to the game you will get a "Firmware number/version".
(Example: 091103_11 is static and can't change unless they update the source of the game.) So calling for a Var=1,Var=21 or put in an array. Doing this can create a non-static checker and updater that adds the Var to the end of the version, allowing you to COMPLETELY eliminate the bot because the user would have to recompile their version with the version Evony is using BECAUSE...
WAIT FOR IT...
The variable changes randomly when a user logs into the game, which means the server SETS the variable, then checks to see if the browser is running that current version and if it doesn't match the variable the server RANDOMLY set for the day (or whatever time scale you gave it before changing) then it resets browser so it can refresh and try setting the version to the servers current version.
If the version doesn't match then you don't log on!
Now where do I pick up my paycheck!?
They can't because the server would be making random inputs into the variables from a file or database and then the server writes its random number to the browser or client forcing them to match. The bot would have to match the numbered version in order to log in, EVERY time :). It would be random and impossible to track unless you hacked the file hosting the variables for that specific script. So good luck hacking Evony server.. Actually good luck hacking the server that is hosting the domain that hosts the file lol..
Verios Checker, we use it all the time at BB. ;)
Works great for people who like to steal business software :)
A whole bunch of useless information, again, just like the last post on the last thread we are once again ignoring the fact that any config file that is even half way thought thru is going to take mixed attacks into account. Not to mention the simple fact that NOT EVERYONE closes gates for a scout bomb or sets a bot to do so, in fact there are few that think it's rather dumb to do so.
Again its pointless since most of evonys biggest spenders are also multiplying alt alliance accounts and botters. So do you honestly think evony is going to do anything. Hell everyone knows 145 was full of bots, Evony finally got a huge amount of them. Hey np they all went to 153 now and its never been touched.
Not a single persons been suspended for anything on 153 and because I cant accuse anyone by name or alliance or show proof on the forums its pointless because evony almost never reads complaint mails or at least it seems like they dont. Why would they remove most the players on 153.
I say because when 155 comes out they will start over and Evony can make even more money since new accounts are what really brings in the bucks. So fix 153 so the real players can play without all the bs and che@ters. Everyone knows of plenty of ways to catch bots on evony. Seem them fixed with ease on other games. Evony isnt interested in losing most its player base.
Agreed and allot of people forget its real players behind these bots. They can set it to make a ton of warriors or swords to shield from scout bombs the same way they would a none botted account. Stop assuming someones a bot and just beat them as if they weren't the best way to know if someones truely a bot is when they have no resources or food and somehow manage to relief for hours on end and you never get them under 10 loyal. Even then its possible to be a real player but less likely.
A bot is just a personal program designed to do basic functions the player set up ahead of time. It cant defend agaist all possible attacks or strategy's So to beat a bot you gotta be smart prepared to beat it as you would if you scouted the same town and found the same troops and walls on a normal person.
Time multiple waves beginning with a can opener followed by 99k archer 1k cavs runs or 99k cav with 1k scout runs, mix in a few timed scout bombs and run them over with a mech attack. If it closes gates on the mech just keep sending it and add a fair amount of transporters along for the ride and remove all their resources. You dont have to take their town for it to be a win. Just gotta kill it keep it from farming and remove the resources and above all else hit it everyday after that to keep it down.
Im sorry that you feel you must have a bot to play evony. Use to be bots were few and far between and skill was what was required to do well here. Youll probly be baned here anyway for advertising youll give people the bot. Like Ive said before I like playing evony the bot makes you lazy, makes you not realy pay attention to your alliance and as a host I feel its my job to look after everyone who is in my alliance. Im not here the whole 12-16 hours Im doing things but still clicking in and out every 20-30 mins or so and then Ill spend 6 hours or so constantly farming doing ques etc etc. Anyone can use the bot but that doesnt mean everyone has to use one to be good. Just because someone can do something they know is wrong, some of us choose to know the difference and have morals about those things.
If evony installs a bot that will do the farming for me Im sure Id use that but I prefer to do my own ques and builds and then its exactly how I want a town and my army to be. Mechs are great but theres allot more to fighting then just hitting someone with mechs. If you try that with me youll lose your army I promise you that much. Enough said botting is a choice, I choose not to bot. Doesnt make me better then anyone else just my choice.
ohh im sorry, I didnt mention that I dont acually "play" evony anymore. Ive been there, done that, own the tee shirt company lol. No, Evony lost its play appeal for me a long time ago, theres just no end game, same ol suff everyday. This is simply a financial game for me now. But you brought up a interesting note worthy point, I would probably be banned for advertising, your right, odds are i will be. However, 5 minutes later I have a new account and doing it again. Ive seen many tips givin in these forums on how to stall these botts, some of them definatly hold water as far as effectivness, as a modder I cant deny that. But does evony impliment some of these tips, some should be commen sense practices? No, and they wont do it. This is just my view of the situation, I have no direct evidence to back up my claim, but evony wants botters. Visa warriors (people who spend often) set the pace of the game for the average player. Now I agree with Rand's statement that a bott isnt needed, I did just fine without one, but at the time I had alot of time to kill in front of the computer, alot of people dont have that luxury. Botters started popping up more frequently to keep up with the people spending there car payments on the game lol. Now this is where evony tolerates it. If these people didnt turn to the bott, odds are they would have just quit. But instead they keep playing because even though they may not have lots of items, they can atleast keep up with the player sittin on 50 vesta's and 100's of porters. I forgot who said it above, but the average botter never acually uses it to its full potential, its simply a farmer for them.
The community can make there own mind up about if thats reasonable or not, its not my place or anyone elses to say if its wrong or right, but if Evony doesnt take any real steps to curb them, doesnt that kinda tell you something about there position with them? They may "say" they dont tolerate them, but they have done absolutly nothing to stop them.
I like fishes cause their so delicious!
Wrong, It does make you better at Evony because the cheater is not playing Evony, He or she realized that they lack the ability to compete against others because they sucked at the game, so they modify it. Same type person who cheated their way through school, same type that lies, cheats and steals in real life. A failure, a con and a loser :devil:
Everyone hates poor sportsmanship, in sports they take your medal away, your fans hate you and you shamed everyone you associate with when the lie is exposed. :duh:
Yes I'm not perfect but learned lessons during my life. I don't care to associate with ppl I don't trust and I'd like people to respect and honor me and my memory to be that of a good, honest person. This is a competitive game.
I compete to challenge, not just to win. I like to accomplish my goals, not having a program or someone else do the work then simply step up and take credit. I don't want any advantage. Remember when there used to be battle reports that amazed people? Now nobody gives a second glance because cheating has given everyone the same ability without hard work and dedication.
Cheating ruins it for everyone who actually wants to compete.
here is a perfect example for u guys/ girls no names mentioned who it is but a friend scouted this account from what i can work out 5tril food http://ww.evonyurl.com/4xsfgx
that would most likely using it to the extreme lol what if all players used it like that. its no fun at all for any players even the very best :-(
u can tell me that u can farm that, but that is a load of crap consider what the farming field size would have to b and how big ur own army would have to be to protect it, let alone defend against many who would try to get it
I totally agree might as well wear a sign that says I bot, change flag to bots. Its impossible to be farming that. but heres what others will say about that. a few of the original excuses. Players in the alliance send billions in food everyday to keep this monster alive to protect the alliance. He does the valley hits to gain 700 mil iron a day and sells it for food etc etc. Evony's blind to botters. everytime I see a report like this it says botter. 1 mil pults and balista and 1 mil ramms wow wth for. who needs that many troops to play this game.
A bot can farm 5tril food? Ha that's a game glitch that's being exploited, not a bot.