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Yes and I agree with you in the sense that not all those that are accused commit the crime. But isnt the following the main arguments considering the value of the death penalty? That being saving some money and setting an example to deter future offenders? So should we care if a couple innocent get killed here or there? The money is saved and the example is set after all ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirata
I don't think I've ever been so turned on before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boleslav
Whisper that softly into my ear again, Bole.
First and foremost, in the hands of a government money is never saved.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lucas101
Second, are you serious? Are you trying to justify murder here?
Lucas, arguing for the death penalty is not a wise position to take.
It doesn't deter crime.
Innocents are killed.
It costs a sh!t-ton of money to put them down.
and then there is the: 'Um like, murder is....wrong and two wrongs don't make a right' argument.
http://verydemotivational.files.word...pg?w=360&h=339Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
It doesn't though. Not in the slightest.
It doesn't have to cost a ton of money. Once they are found guilty send them to prison and don't give them food or water (that saves money). Then have other prisoners clean up the dead body.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Problem solved cheap death penalty.
It doesn't work like that, it will never work like that, and thinking like that is just childish and ignorant.Quote:
Originally Posted by jorbaud
...They would have 5ish days for appeals or however long it takes to die. It saves the government money which is good and the murder will never have a chance to murder again. Win win situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by estrickland89
It's like the Holocaust...Quote:
Originally Posted by jorbaud
jorbaud is german bro
This tread is almost trolled out.
And? Unless he is a Nazi he should know better. If his post wasn't a troll post I pity him. To believe that innocents should be starved and then have them carried out by other innocents is lunacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by *jdm*
dont sass me boyQuote:
Originally Posted by Skirata
It was an attempt at a troll post...Quote:
Originally Posted by Skirata
You succeeded.Quote:
Originally Posted by jorbaud
yeah pretty muchQuote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Not unless you don't make the first shot count. Oh, wait... Thats actually very inappropriate in this situation... Sorry...Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Don't tread on me, bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Okay, back to the original topic: More info on Norway's situation please?
to stay on topic - if you see how he kept shooting on these teenagers - how can you come up with 'he dont deserve to die' for that? look em in prison is never a guarantie that they cant do it ever again.
way you keep looking at it as a way to pay back what criminals did? too blinded to see that death penalty is the best and most effective way to protect all others from happen it to them one day? and why the gov should not do so? the police and the court get payed to protect all from those sick people. its their job. if all would take the law in their hands it would be a mess. you need someone keeping an eye on things
I believe I read that Anders Behring Breivik is going to given a chance to speak to the courts very soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Montros
Because it is my belief, as well as almost the entire world's, that no one "deserves to die" no matter what their crime.Quote:
Originally Posted by annagilbert
The way to pay back criminals for what they did is to isolate them from the community in prison and depending on their crime, isolate them further with solitary confinement.Quote:
Originally Posted by annagilbert
I'm not blind at all. I used to be fully for the death penalty and I would argue the same stuff that all you pro death penalty people argue. But then I accidentally stumbled upon a newspaper article that was about how capital punishment does nothing to decrease crime rate or deter future murders. And then a little bit later I realized I was an atheist and if I kill an ant it doesn't go to a pearly gated cloud world and play with all it's ant relatives for eternity, it just dies is gone from reality forever. Then I read a little more and learned that humans are fallible and make mistakes on a constant basis and that in turn spills over into the justice system which also makes mistakes because it was conceived, is run and carried out by these mistake prone humans and many people have been falsely accused, convicted and punished for crimes they did not commit.Quote:
Originally Posted by annagilbert
So even though Anders Behring Breivik did kill almost 100 people single handed he does not deserve the death penalty because if he is killed for his crimes someone who is innocent of the crime they were convicted of committing will also be killed.
This thread is about the tragedy in Norway, not about capital punishment.
Do you guys think he was working alone? To be honest this reminds me of a movie I saw a while back. I wonder if he got his ideas from it :confused:
Im pretty sure that he was working alone, and Canadian media at least, is shocked at what happened. This is not because of the tragedy but because apparently he is an avid nationalist with no known ties to Islam. Stereotype much?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-coverage.html
Gunman Anders Behring Breivik admits responsibility for the Oslo bomb and the Utoya Island shootings.
He calls the attack 'atrocious, but necessary' as a warning that 'doomsday is imminent' and says he intends to explain his rationale to the media.
Breivik says he acted alone
Here is a portion of Breivik's manifesto.
No. He got training from Modern Warfare 2 and WoW.Quote:
Originally Posted by SickbyDefinition
I hope at least 1 person who played with him in WoW comes forward and shares their story.
I would be interested.
Want to read a WoW forum where Anders Behring Breivik frequently posted?
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/forum/to...7077585?page=1
Funniest comment:Quote:
He killed 80 people and still didn't find the drops he needed.
Guys, what if Finland or Sweden orchestrated this whole event....?
No... not very funny. That is alot like the Wow community to do something like that AND laugh about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
SickbyDefinition you said something about ideas this guy may have gotten. Has an avid member of the State of Oklahoma in the United States we had a terrorist by the name of Timothy MicVay commit a atrcocious bombing on an Oklahoma Federal building. He killed 168 people. Nineteen of these were children under the age of 6. He committed this act by taking a fertilizer filled truck and lit it underneath the building. He was seen running from the Truck right before the bombing happened. The number 9:01 will always stick with me forever for at 9:01 everything was normal at 9:02 Chaos. McVeigh had accomplices, one that also lit another truck of fertilizer that blew the building to hell. McVeigh was a American born Christian that commited these acts hoping that this act would cause a government collapse.
The Norway man that commited this Atrocious act runs along the same lins as McVeigh. Christian, born in the country he commited the act upon and very anti-current government. The reason I think that he says he commited the act by himself is to let his accomplices continue his work. The attack upon the Ministers office was a clear assassination attempt. He probably meant to lop the head of the Norway government straight off and cause a country collapse. The attack upon the Kid camp was also an attempt to help decrease the morale when he had killed the Prime Minister. Both of these were most likely severely planned to the last detail.
Personally there is alot to learn in these two acts. Many similarities characteristically in these two : McVeigh and the Norway man.
Sorry about calling him the Norway Man, cant remember his name.:duh:
I don't think that comparison is very conclusive. Being anti-government of your own country and acting out against it is basically the definition of a rebel, which is a very board term encompassing many more people than just McVeigh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murtagh
And I don't think religion had anything more to do with it than if the two shared a similar hair or eye color. Admittedly I myself tend to be a skeptic of religion or religious people at times, but I think the trait that makes people do things likes this comes down more to human psyche than religious tenets, because you'll find good and bad eggs in any religion. That doesn't make a given religion bad, especially not the most popular religion in the world which is consequently going to numerically draw in the most whackos.
I'd have yo agree with Alusair. I think many times people blame religion instead of the people themselves, when in all honesty every person is responsible for their own actions, decisions, opinions, and beliefs. I don't deny that culture has a huge influence on the aforementioned things, but culture is not responsible for them as many people portray it to be.
I believe he had many opinions, very different from accepted conservative/christain views. His friends claimed he became extreme as far as nationalism went, etc. These opinions probably developed all their own, inside a twisted mind. You can't blame religion, or government for that matter, for a twisted mind. there was a screw loose somewhere in his brain.
But in all seriousness, there's a movie called Rampage.. with a VERY similar chain of events to what happened. Planning for months ahead of time. Giving a subtle hint or two. Beginning the massacre with a bomb. Shooting dozens to death, regardless of who they were.
There was method in Behring Breivik's madness, SBD. It get even worse when you realize who he was trying to kill and who he was killing:
Firstly, the Norwegian Prime Minister was targeted. He escaped without injury. However, then the psychotic, deranged b*stard went to a Norwegian Labour Party camp. He wanted to kill a certain Gro Harlem Brundtland, who just so happened to be the former Norwegian Prime Minister. Then, he opened fire indiscriminately, but then, to further compound his awful crimes, he showed mercy to two people; one boy who had just seen his father gunned down, and a 22-year old who begged for his life. Breivik seemingly left them alone.
Some people apparently played dead. But Breivik apparently shot those who were playing dead in the head with a hunting rifle 'to make sure'.
In my view, he deserves the death penalty, but he will get life without parole if found guilty, as Norway does not have the death penalty.
If he does get life, he should get life in Solitary, on the most tasteless possible diet, in the darkest possible cell, all without possibility of parole...Because nothing can atone for this crime.
Politics is no reason to kill...Even if it IS in a war.
Death is too good for this man, because of all the pain he caused.
Some pics from the aftermath.
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2...norway/100113/
Just to remind everyone (i.e. Brotherhood and Jurnis), Norway does not have a "life sentence" per se.
I think McVeigh was a good sign. Anders I think wanted to knock down the government and put up a stronger and more effective type to fight of "Islam" in his eyes. McVeigh just wanted to knock the government down. Both wanted to knock the government down and in there complete acts of insanity commited horrible crimes againest humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alusair
Maximium that the Government in Norway can hand out is 21 Years. Now if they were smart they could individivually charge him I.E. 60+ counts of 1st Degree Murder, Two Charges of Treason (Two acts of Treason), and they could get him MAYBE depending on the law, Weapons Charges, and possibley Taxes. If they did each charge seperately it would be a big succession of charges.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Or you could just read the entire thread and learn what they are going to do to him and not double post.
At least they blocked him from speaking and wearing a uniform. Good call by their justice system. :)
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