You would love my 3 page letter to Evony that pretty much puts this in an, obviously, much wordier way. Of course, that's if you don't fall asleep by the end of it. I don't mind saying here that you are ON THE MONEY!! :cheer:
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that dose not fix any problems of a incoming attack
the captch pops up u have a incoming attack 10 scout bombs 20 layered attacks mec attacks all land the same time
u cant do a thing to protect yourself no open close gates no changing wall defence no recalling your camp attacks after each hit to keep them layers
its retarded what u guys are doing come on honestly think about it
and for them people who find it hard next to impossable to see these numbers and letters just means it takes longer to get game play function back by that time your citys are empty whats the point in playing
there was called for a lot of extras
a delay button so u might have some chance to save your game that u spent money on and a lot of time making
a sound option for them people who have problems with that sort of thing
basicly u making an option in a war game that gives u a massive disadvantage in game play ill say again u guys drinking to much magic tea its retarded
SS60 has now crashed :(
They can't close Age I unless every single person voluntarily deletes their account (very unlikely unless they introduce something into the game which is really annoying/repetitive/interferes constantly with gameplay - which itself could lead to court cases from people claiming to have been strongarmed into desisting in an activity in which they have invested time and/or money) and there are no new accounts being created. They would be in breach of contract; having promised that it will be free 'Forever' they may not discontinue the service. They would have to return millions of dollars paid, may have to pay court costs. I imagine someone would also find a way to sue for loss of time over a number of months/years, having invested that time in a game they were promised, in writing, that they would be able to continue to play indefinitely. They would not be able to circumvent this problem by moving Age I players to Age II, because of the large differences in gameplay, and the fact that they advertise it as a completely separate game. So I don't think we need worry about losing Age I.
just so you Evony "Mods" know every since you guys came out with the captcha testing Lag on other servers has gotten worse and this is the second time now the servers have crashed withing 24hrs...you wanna fight botters but cant even keep your game running at a smooth rate....sighs
Well thats the last straw,
I was under attack from a nemesis guy, was about to reinforce from my other city when the clock appears, I refresh and lo and behold i get Network connection error.
I do use a shared IP address (NAT)
well anyways, u can stick your game up your :modedit:
@Thantium or Dave
Please see my PM to both of you.
Please look into what I'm saying, or please make N4 your next captcha test.
Thanks...
true, it prob wont completely close down, but the fact evony are making a deliberate effort to direct any new customers AWAY from age 1 means it wont stay viable a game for too much longer - especially if captcha works and many of the more dedicated players with bots leave.
As long as they have all accounts on 1 server, they wont be in breach of any contract.
people quit everyday, no doubt many more will without the bots, even if they do try to compensate by spending tons of money on vestas short term.
simple fact is, when people quit, and no new people are joining, sooner or later the game will die
1920 x 1080 and no, i rarely have difficulty using my monitor to view normal text. The similiarities between characters is frustrating and difficult to read. husband is colorblind and has difficulty, i feel pity for the dyslexic who tries to muddle their way through.
Sadly there are going to be more issues like this. But this is what evony mods want. Leave age 1 and move over to age 2 where u have to spend more cash to get ur hero past lvl100.
I wonder what the fall out is going to be and what number of ppl switching to age 2 evo wit be happy with.
Well evony isnt the only war (farming) game on the world wide web. I am sure those disgruntled customers wil find a better home where they wont be troubled wit game changes and game stoppers. What amazing business sense, good job evony!!! :cheer::dizzy::duh:
I can barely do a captcha on a purchase I do... Often takes me up to three tries to get it...so highly doubt I will spend my fun gaming time to fool with crap like that. A game should be fun not a chore.. also how will this interfere when we are timing battles? Also what about those with vision impairments? I know of two who have that in my alliance alone. This happens and It might be what makes me finally quit the game and can put my money towards more useful things than Evony.
9 days and no permanent solution from the dark side! :)
Evony 9 DarkSide 0 :attack:
Seems like the new Evony client has some spiffy new security measures as well. woot. :cheer:
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It definitely appears to be activity related, i had one account sit idle in the bot for over an hour, pretty much doing nothing, As soon as I kicked the farmers out to to do work the captcha code kicked.......
my two cents
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well the way things are at this point.. even paying for the service (DeCaptcha)..would be useless...as anything you do in the bot...except chat...brings up the captcha.
I think the client version change is the problem to deal with first...it's obviously is the reason for the bot to not work at all at today...once cracked.. we'll have to see what happens afterword..it may....or may not be needed
Btw Thantium, a certain forum seems to be watching any info you share regarding your bot detection strategies very closely. They're the ones in which the developers of the Dark Side reside in. Just a heads up.
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3vony does monitor the data stream:
from Thantium on their forums:
3. Botting and it latency. I'm sure people will call BS on this but here it is. I am estimating these numbers I do not claim they are 100% correct just indicative. Lets say a normal player makes on average 10 clicks/commands a minute on average, some minutes more, other minutes less as you chat with people. That would send 10 commands to the server to be processed. A bot on the other hand sends consistently 40 commands a minute updating its information and sending out orders. So on average a bot has a server overhead of 4 normal players on average. See the issue?
Technically he's correct (although the #'s he uses may be wrong).
its the same on my server.. they even made alliances just to put their alt acct in. i have mailed many times the list of alt acct to there main acct. evony has done nothing about it.. i lost many players because after months on end of getting attacked by ppl who have endless troops and resource and dont forget thy attack hero's that are so high they make troops faster. my guys couldnt keep up..you use your troops on defending yourself and teammates than expected to attack those war cities. when evony banned ppl after they merged us my alliance killed so many ppl because we know how to fight and they didnt. so many didnt like us and when they started on the new bots they came after us. great fun
Will captcha be taken off once the botting and latency issues are dealt with to a satisfactory level and return as needed ?
WOOP WOOP 125 pages.. congratulations .. new records lmao... :cheer:
I am NOT colorblind, nor do I have any other vision or learning problems, and many of these captchas are next to impossible to interpret. There must be a way (ESPECIALLY if you are going to disrupt our gameplay with them) to make them readable without compromising the security.
You guys use the crutch that it is to get rid of "cheaters", and so hopefully get the support of all the "non-cheaters" but in reality you are trying to get people to quit and join age II. The fact is, all you REALLY have to do is start enforcing the rules. I would estimate there are only MAYBE about 10% of the players that actually follow EVERY rule set forth, and only about 3% of accounts. Account sharing and multi accounting has been an ongoing problem for years now, without you guys enforcing it, so it's no surprise that more people have turned to bots. I see non-botters badmouthing botters calling them cheaters and all that, when they themselves have multiple accounts or their friends have their login info in case they get attacked while offline. THEY ARE CHEATERS TOO! All you guys need to do is STOP BEING LAZY and start investigating reports and banning people. The whole report system is a joke.
Evony is a roomful of people. The rules are you go in naked and fight in unarmed combat to the death. 90% of the people have at least 1 of the following: a 2handed battleaxe, body armor, or a shield. Some have all 3. 10% of the people are following all the rules and are naked and unarmed. They see that the battle is unfair, and complain about it. The overseers agree that it isn't fair, so they cut off one of everyone's arms so that people can't use the 2handed battleaxes anymore. Meanwhile 75% of the people still have body armor or a knife, and now the 10% that were following the rules have one less arm to defend themselves.
Botting, multi-accounting, and acct sharing are ALL JUST AS BIG of a problem. They all provide an unfair advantage to people. You can't just get rid of one and leave the other 2.
the double standards are everywhere in their stance. multi-accounts would be far easier to keep in check than fighting bots....
Of course, they could always provide their own bot that would tell you when an attack was in bound..... just have to figure out a catchy name for it.
I've tried Age2 and personally it's a little too cartoony for my liking and extremely difficult for me to see. I'm sure it's great for some people, just not my cup of tea, so if I leave Age1...I leave Evony...just saying
Wow... Lets see if my anti-tinfoil hat logic will work...
We are not trying to close Age 1, there is no reason at all for us to do so. We see age 1 and age 2 as two completely different games. We actually have more people playing age 1. the games have different rules and cater to different types of players.
The logic that the captcha is to force players to age 2 makes no sense what so ever. Example, if we wanted to kill age 1 why would we open new servers?
I just have one thing to say about all this. I have seen a few people who were perm banned just for speaking their mind on the new CAPTCHA system. I do not approve of using a bot, but how is it right to ban those who give their input about something that you want input on?
I actually agree with you here Thantium, and yes that was a bitter taste saying it.
However the fact that Evony continues to ignore the server issues by not providing more merges as requested is hurting you guys. I left SS54 for a new server becuase the server was dead. Spend $30 on 10 ports and get the "all valleys are full" message. No thanks.
No merges = dying servers = players either quit or go to a new server and spend more money than they would have on established servers. WALAAAAA we now know why Evony ignores it's players pertaining to merging servers.
I like to see this across all of Age1 servers, the captchas instituted.
Will it bring about a fair playing field. No it will not, not when you have a game that is free but can be enhanced by paying and purchasing items to enhance yourself. It is inherently lopsided and creates an unbalance. Just as the person who has more time to spend sitting on his account.
Right now the imbalance is so great due to bots feeder accounts (multiple accounts) that my guess is that evony has lost a lot of money from honest folks looking to enjoying themselves quitting in disgust.
Speaking of feeder accounts. I remember a time when people concerned themselves with too much prestige. For no one could transport that was significantly under them in prestige with resources. NPC system barbarians would hit the transporters. So a greater emphasis on going after those with multiple accounts would be appreciated. Ending the feeder alliances, ending account sharing.
When I first joined, started playing evony. I joined an alliance, it was possible to come in and start on a establish server and grow your account. Now with in two months of a new server opening up. It is not even possible due to the way the game has gone. I would speculate that evony has lost more revenue due to this then anything the botters claim they put into evony coffers.
However, for those legitimately vision impaired or handicap in such a way. Most of these cases are often registered, so providing proof to evony should not be a problem for say for evony then setting up those on a captchas that has audio with it.
As for the ridiculously assertion and concern over hampering of timed attacks, of opening closing gates in defense and loss of heroes. I find it completely far fetch. You all act like your being attacked every minute of the day, or attacking every single moment, cough highly unlikely. With the issue of lag due to bots and overwhelming number of commands the bots can put into the system causing this. Your likely to be disruptive if your an honest player not using a bot due to the lag. So to counter argue this point really just says your a botter and is now in a panic worried about losing your bot. An the argument that people will not be able to support large armies. Well why should you keep it, it was ill gotten in the first place by cheating.
Finally this is a win win for everyone. I believe more money will result for evony and for us a better game that is not ruled by a few. Those hero worshiped in WC will not be those with no skill, but actual skilled players.
taking the 2 points:
1 please explain if closing age 1 not the long term plan then why the near zero growth?. You cant get new customers with no advertising links and all new registers going automatically to age 2.
2 pretty obvious why the new servers - they make a fortune lol, all the packages and such that get bought for amulets and speed ups
Me too, but I'd especially like my server, N4, to be used as a test for this. Alternatively, I'd like the company to truly do something about the player that I've reported multiple times, because their rule-breaking is probably just as much as the person they took action against based off of their comments in this thread. :mad:
FYI, forum posters, neko and I have hashed this out through PM's and I think we have a good understanding. I have called ppl to the carpet for their actions, but so far only when comments include or are directed at me. I've told neko it isn't my job to call out people who are being rude, illogical, or otherwise using poor debate skills in trying to champion thier ideas. Sometimes I choose to do so, and yes, it would be fair to say that I have a bias to defend those with whom I agree, but have no obligation to forward the ideas that I do not agree with. That is my prerogative.
In the spirit of good-will, here it is, for the record:
When one uses insults like, "noob," "idiot," "brainless," or other value judgments, the assumption by anyone who understands the civil exchange of ideas (debate) is that the sender's argument is somehow lacking, making the message sender feel as if their argument must be bolstered by trying to make their oponent look bad in the eyes of the reader. Basically, saying "you idiot, you're full of poop" is, to someone like me, saying "I'm worried people won't see my point of view, so I'm going to hope they believe, through my insults, that you are not credible, and therefore neither are your ideas."
So, in the interest of helping this debate move along, I suggest that everyone be aware of how posts are written--if the poster is pushing a value judgment, perhaps assume that they don't want you to consider the ideas of those whom they are posting against, but can't come up with a good reason why.
Let's debate ideas, people, not hurl insults and insinuations: they only go to show that you are upset and do nothing to speak to the validity of the idea being discussed.
Furthermore, if you call an idea "stupid," if you do not express a reasonable explanation for your opinion, it is just that: your opinion...carries no weight in a debate.
Nuf said...back to it.
Dont think anyone said that. my post pointed out that with evony directing ALL new players AWAY from age 1 DELIBERATLY through the new user link, evony is is LETTING the game die.
people quit everyday, evony have effectively STOPPED new players joining - number of players can only fall.
I was merely pointing out that given evony show NO interest in replacing lost players, they must have given up on age 1
i was just asking IF that the case, could this sudden - and EXTREMELY late - attempt to address cheating be nothing more than getting last run of cash for extra vestas as the botters try to maintain their larger armies?
I also along with server wide capthas being instituted. I like to eliminate banning or suspensions as punishment. Instead, I like to see if your caught your highest level hero is taken away. Half your, resources, troops and wall defenses. Along with being put into a 24 hour lock down of no march or being reinforced such as with advance teleport. An with each subsequent infraction of being caught, the penalty being in forced each time. :bunny::bunny:
Hi Irchie. actually if u scroll back. I have accused evony of wanting to close age1. And yes like u state all links are taking every new lead to age 2. It is very doubtful there are new players on age1. I would bet the only ppl opening accounts on age1 are existing clients who have acconts on other age1 servers which havnt been thru a server merger in over a year.
Probably missed that post, didnt read them all lol.
i does look to me like evony is "sitting back" and letting age 1 fade away in favor of age 2. With respect to new users it it DEFINATELY not the "2 games side by side" we were told when age 2 started.
I know i havent seen a genuine new player in several servers.
Afterall, how can we see new players? the link doesnt take them there lol
If anyone doubts this, go to evony.com, click play and new user - you automatically start a new game on age 2.
what new player is going to bother logging out and going to find an age 1 server? very few i suspect
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So Thantium, I still havent been granted the courtesy of an explanation for 2 of my posts getting tossed now, and the second politely requested an explanation. Now if sarcasm is against forum rules I apologize for not reading it in there.
On a serious note if that last post was removed in the future why not just have the guys at Evony write an entire thread how they see fit and let us read it later, whats the point of an open forum if we can't express our opinions?
Don't tell me this is off topic because it isn't. I want my comparisons to be heard. So tell me what to write and I will post that so I have the illusion of making a difference.
Now this post as well as the 2 prior did not break those rules in any way shape or form. Howe many others have gotten censored needlessly?
I again request an explanation of my my 2 posts that were taken down from this thread when they contained relevant on topic insight.
I have no idea why you where moderated out... I did not do it, and I am not in charge of moderating the forum, bring it up with Dawnseeker.
Although what I have seen is if the comment got modded out there was a reason, we are obviously nor modding out comments that are critical to Evony lol, there would only be like 20 posts in this thread then... I'm not saying there was or was not a reason for yours, I just have no idea, I did not do it nor did I see the posts, I am sure that if you rephrase it and it is a valid question I will most likely respond to it.
Well I will do it this way then, if I tastefully compared Evony to the Nazi regime papers please campaign, would that in your opinion be a reason to remove my post. Or if I compared Evonys actions to that of a Communist method would that in your opinion be grounds for removal?
Let me make this fully clear, it was not a childish name calling rant, it was a well thought out detailed comparison and explanation.
Let me address this...
1. There is not near zero growth on age 1... I am not sure where you get that number, I can tell you that the population levels are in line with historical data and age of the game. As for marketing and new links directing towards Age II. I was not aware of that and is a decision by the marketing team. Also most of you already feel that too many people are on the new servers, so why would you want more???
2.You are contradicting yourself... If we make money when we open a new age 1 server, why would we want to kill age 1? There is no business reason not to continue to support age 1. ARPU or Average Revenue per Player is pretty much the same I think on age1 vs age2. Additionally costs per player are exactly the same, ie server/support costs are the same per player for both. We understand that they are different games that appeal to different types of players.
IMHO this weird argument that we want to get rid of Age 1 is incredibly silly, and makes zero sense. Why this keeps being debated is beyond me.