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Now can we all stop the pointless bickering? You know who you are.
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Now can we all stop the pointless bickering? You know who you are.
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stop multi accounts, stop bots, stop cheaters/hackers, stop fake account used to fill the state and please provide better customer service. would be nice if started by stopping multi accounts .
did u stop to think we played age 2 it suked go try it yourself see how u like it some of us can farm for massive armies off our own back not al of us spend our time chatting to alliance members no matter how fun it may be get off your high horse and stop assuming
can i kiss it either way?
alot of us deal with lag everyday so guessing is not so it's there and learning to deal with it is natural a random captcha pop up is not
hi acree can u answer a question for me
will this captchas cause me to lose all my troops if it pops up at the wrong time and think of the worst time it could pop up at befor u answer this please
after u answer this can u honestly say that this captchas is to help people who are playing
any response would be nice thank you
Many people have tactfully voiced valid concerns and even proposed possible solutions to these problems. They have been met with condescension and ridicule, both by members of the Evony community, and by the moderators themselves. We should all be looking objectively at these issues, examining the FACTS, and trying to find a solution.
FACT: Botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing are all against the ToS.
FACT: Many people break these rules routinely due to the lack of enforcement.
FACT: The captchas are an inconvenience.
ISSUE: Captchas affect the non-cheating player negatively while botters will continue to find workarounds. According to Thantium, 'it will only appear about 1 time every 2 hours unless you fail it repeatedly. If you fail repeatedly it will shorten the duration between the captchas. ' So EVEN if you get all of them right, you have to deal with it every 2 hours! It's only a matter of time before it ends up interfering with an incoming attack. Just close out of it you say? Sure go ahead, now instead of every 2 hours, it shows up more frequently, increasing the chance of it interfering yet again with a future incoming attack, and compounding the situation.
SOLUTION: The most logical solution would be to enforce your ToS. Use your "normal anti-botting programs" that Thantium talks about (page 10) and start banning people. The number one reason people bot is because you allow them to. That said, I can understand your reluctance to roll out the ban hammer, as that would reduce your income. If Evony released an approved bot, even if it had less features, it would also be a big help in fixing this, but without the lost customer base. Start rolling out 3 days suspensions for people that are reported and caught botting, and people will move to the approved bot gradually with very few lost customers. With or without captchas, the only way you will ever stop botting is by enforcing your ToS. Don't inconvenience your legitimate players needlessly. You have already stated that you have other ways to catch botters, not to mention the ones that are given to you on a silver platter by people that report them.
ISSUE: Multi-accounting provides an unfair advantage over legitimate players, not to mention the devastating effect that flat filler bots have had on the game. Players that multi-account AND bot are REALLY extending that unfair advantage to the fullest. We have people that set feeder accounts up, probably the most common, and people that run separate, full accounts to attack people together from, and some that have 4-5 separate accounts with feeders for each one!
SOLUTION: Again, the most logical solution is to enforce your ToS and ban the offenders. I would suggest perma-banning their 'alt accounts' and maybe removing half of their troops/res in their main account. This would reduce the likelihood that they will quit, while at the same time, discouraging them from making more alt accounts. It seems like you could do a sweep and find out pretty easily who is multi-accounting, but if not, certainly you can investigate individual accounts which have been accused, and be able to tell whether they are multi-accounting or not. Like the other problems, this will not stop unless people are held accountable.
ISSUE: Account sharing is one of the first (widespread) means of cheating. It seems to be a minor issue now with the number of bots and multi-accounters, but you need to realize this is still an unfair advantage, and against ToS, and should be addressed.
SOLUTION: Once more, enforcing your ToS would solve this issue. I realize there are probably workarounds for your detection methods for this, and you wouldn't be able to stop this entirely if the people were careful enough, but you could certainly stop the majority of this relatively easily with a 3day suspension on any accounts logging in from the same IP address.
ISSUE: Flat filler bots are enabling people to port to specific locations at will using random teleporters, and prohibiting people from building npc's. This is compounded by the fact that Evony pulls npc's every so often. Due to both of these issues, many players are reluctant to use (waste) ports to port out low level npc's in their fields to create lv10 fields or whatever, and they are also reluctant to purchase an adv port because it costs 3X as much and has a 24hr cooldown as compared to the random port which works just like an adv with a flat filler bot only w/o the cooldown.
SOLUTION: The first thing I recommend doing is to have a system so that ONLY npc's that have not been attacked for 7 consecutive days should be removed. In addition there should be a way to flag certain unwanted npc's to be removed, assuming your city is closer to that npc than anyone else. This would eliminate one of the reasons for filler accounts. The other reason for them is to be able to use random ports to port to a specific flat. To fully solve this problem, you need to find a way to stop the bot itself, and, if possible, perma-ban their main account, if you can trace it back to a specific IP address.
If Evony was really looking to continue age I, as you claim, you would start enforcing your ToS, and start suspending people for botting, multi-accounting, and account sharing, not wasting your time and ours with these captchas, which are basically a bandaid on a gunshot wound.
I know my server I have a constant 1-2 second lag u can pretty much account for 95% of the time..
Also I'm going to restate a suggestion that I feel has been left unacknowledge:
What if the captcha gave a notification a certain amount of time ahead (say 1 minute ahead of time) that didn't pop up and stop you from playing but at any time during that minute you could bring it up and enter it. When the time expires then it will pop up and stop the gameplay.. I don't see an issue with this or how it would help a bot work around it, but would allow players to work it around attacking/defending.
i agree to an extent i say evony has let it get out of hand so they should give a maybe 7 day max warning any 1 caught botting after that perma ban to stop it these days they need the no tolerance policy but due to there klack of effort in the past need to give some warning to possibly keep some of there fan base
only an iron fist approach will help these days i believe as sad as it is to say
This capcha is the worst thing evony has come up with yet. I am waiting for it to backfire on them any day now...
I'm with YOU Dawnseeker. As a player who spent 5 days straight defending an HC they rightfully took away from an enemy while they botted me with spam for 5 days as they carried on about their merry business as well as a month or so later attacking another HC that was botted to bump loy after our alliance wiped it clean of troops for another 5 days straight that we finally called it quits on after losing a large number of troops to clear, I bid you farewell too! I'd much rather struggle as a visually impaired player with a captcha as it will be far less 'annoying' than dealing with people who BOT! :flame:
smart answer like it :)
but u know what im saying is right i know u know its ok hehe:rofl:
i heard that the helper program has a solution to this already but they are charging a small fee for the program to enter the code
thats a fact
im sure the programers thought this was a great idea and now that they have put if forward
they are not going to stop it evin tho they know it dose absolutely nothing and is only a pest in the system
degrading the game to a new low
i dont mind botters they always have lots of food and i find them quite easy to kill
its the people sharing info that are the pests oh and now this new flawed system that puts a handycap on your citys sighssss :(:(
THIS IS FANTASTIC!! Very well said!! Now for the reps to be willing to take note.
There is however 1 flaw wit permant banning accounts. Evony wil not only lose most if not all their major money spinners but i suspect wil end up losing 75% of their total client base, so its not somthing they wil be looking to do, unless they have a one set of rules for the autocents client base, another set of the rest of spenders and a 3rd set for those who do not spend.
I for one am stunned to see the development in evo and forums since i have been afk while undergoing surgery and rehab. Only got onto the net a few days ago and was shown this thread. I would have just kept quiet if not for the comments by m/s Thantium.
well actualy the botters are great they give u lots of resorces and if u know how to attack there pretty easy to kill
now its the people sharing accounts that u cant kill or plunder there food
i have problems with numbers and letters but i wont go down that road
and to the other message botters be gone they have already cracked the log in code situation so the word is and it will cost a small fee
so evony have made the game play of us normal people 50% worse
and added money to another programer pocket
so at the end of they day it gets dark as they say and evony have come up with a retarded system sighs
Its not the bot programmers that are charging the fee or is it the bot entering it.. Their solution is a company in India that enters the captcha's for $2 per 1000 captcha's.
That alone may deter afew people who just plain don't want to spend any money or that don't trust that system... I know I for one would be weary of giving money to an outfit like that...
But sadly the majority will likely not be effected :(
I have in the past advocated turning evony into a downloadable game with a certain fee. You don't even have to charge a fee. It can continue to remain free to join. But by making it downloadable to hook up to a server and play. You will have better control against the bots, multiple accounts and account sharing.
Also to give fair level playing field for those that work or go to school and don't have the time to spend hours upon hours. Put into place when your not logged in your account is in holiday. To offset this institute being able to purchase troops mercenary units from the store. They might cost twice the amount of food upkeep. As a way to offset losing the income from those holidaying.
This would take away the need for capthas away, it would provide better control for you. Level out the playing field to a degree, although it can never be absolutely leveled. Give you another avenue for revenue with mercenary troops and likely would mean greater profits then those holidaying and paying for it.
Your absolutely right on that point. How would you stop someone from just logging out. By simply putting a buffer period of 2 hrs before you are placed in holiday mode.
Now while in holiday mode everything is suspended, your not getting a resources, your not building troops or constructing buildings and learning academics.
So by logging out you will still can be attacked for a period. An for Evony they can now turn truces into just two hours. So then you have to spend 30 coins to truce and log out so your not attack. An still those attacks coming in will hit.
Basically it is turning the game into what you put into it is what you get out of it. Of course such situations will occur where one could find themselves in the midst of those with not much time to play. Thus hard to catch when there on. But this can be offset by the simple fact it would force more teleports to be purchased.
A strategy war game should not be about catching the other guy not on. It should be about using your skill and knowledge against the other guy.
I seen on this thread and in WC on servers, references to Evony being farmony well the botters and multiple account holders have turn the game into that. I have no doubt there are those of you that do attack. But the vast majority with their bots and/or feeder accounts do nothing but strip the landscape npc's of resources. An on occasion actually log in to boast how great they are with not really having done anything. An of course attack someone who plays within the rules set and think they have actually accomplished something.
By making it a downloadable game, Evony will be able to apply such as punkbusters to the servers.
Aside from that it is already documented by evony that the average player can on average do 10 commands per minute. In the closed environment it will be easier to pick out a bot which averages 40 commands per minute. As for the multiple accounts. Well again with the close environment your IP if already has an account will not be able to log in another account on that server.
Don't fret, don't worry....
Soon there will be a product available in the store that will allow you to ensure no captcha shows up for 12 hours... just to be sure your attacks are timed right and Evony continues to make money.
At first I thought this was cute and funny... but suddenly I realize, this is totally something Evony would do.
Wow 146 pages...so I take it Evony will stick with their plan to put this on all servers.
Also, side note, I thought this captcha thing was supposed to remove the lag issues on the servers its being tested on....?
I have been playing on SS60 for a day and a half and I have to tell you that even with all the botters on holiday (I am just going to give an estimate, but I look around and 5 out of 10 cities I have seen are on holiday) there is STILL LAG ON THE SERVER.
So maybe the lag issues are not entirely the fault of botters but due to the 2x merged server being overcrowded?
where oh where did my little post go, oh where oh where can it be?
great job moderators, any time someone has a good idea, delete it.
can I inquire why my post was removed, as it did not contain profanity and it was entirely on subject?
ok I will put the most important part here and leave my criticisms of your support staff out of the message:
PLEASE PLACE A FEATURE IN YOUR CAPTCHA THAT WILL LOG THE TIMES YOU SEND A PLAYER A CAPTCHA SO THAT WHEN THEY LOSE A BATTLE DUE TO IT, THEY CAN SUBMIT A HELP SPOT TICKET WITH THE BATTLE REPORT LOGS AND YOU CAN CROSS REFERENCE IT WITH THE TIMES YOUR CRAPCHA APPEARS AND POSSIBLY RESTORE A PLAYER'S LOSSES.
Yeah I had to post several different times to get my message across Miss Acer, since you just love censoring my messages.
Cant afford to loose bot users??
oh duh. snap. I just assumed from the ghay my little ponies on your sig that you were a girl. my bad. thanks for deleting yet another post of mine, now at least I see which part of my message offended you.
I say spread the captcha to all servers!
Who cares that they have this supposed answer to the captcha.
Make them pay more. Show them evony that you have a back bone and will stand up and fight against botters.
yes im glad other people are talking about this retartded situation ware game play stops and u lose your troops
for this reasion only what evony are doing is a sham im sure player population will stop playing if u cant run your account because the stupidest idea i have ever seen for a online round the clock gaming system ware u are tempary unable to use any function to defend yourself
ending your game
u lose players u lose money stop this madness its not stopping botters its not clearing up any lag
all it is doing is sticking a knife in your customers backs
no he deleted sections of my message. there is a part that was removed, which basically said great job evony (sarcasm), the botters have already devised a solution to the captcha so those using bots will not have to deal with it, while the normal honest players will still have to.
lmao when this system comes in u will eat your words
im all for stopping the botters
but to be honest u can kill a bot troops and take there resorces yes ?
but people sharing accounts u cant kill there troops or take there resorces
this program will not effect a helper system they will probaly be the only people who will be able to defend if the code page comes up
its us normal players who will get harmed by this utter foolish captchas
any 1 who thinks diffrent is not looking at the reality of the effect of this knife in the back for normal players
if you notice my message begins with "also, side note..." because there was another whole message before that one that got deleted.