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08-09-2011, 04:16 PM
Morgan le Fay

Mindless Violence

I'm sure you've heard about the recent violence, looting and general rioting that's broken out in England. It all began in Tottenham S. London when a peaceful protest over the police shooting of Mark Duggan escalated into violence.

It then spread into other London boroughs and to other major English cites. Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham and Liverpool. There are rumors that other towns and cities are being affected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14466477

No one even knows why all these disturbances are even occurring.
08-09-2011, 04:17 PM
*jdm*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

No one even knows why all these disturbances are even occurring.

you're wrong, it all started when a black person was killed by the cops
08-09-2011, 04:18 PM
TheArmy

Some people think that their actions will not have consequences
08-09-2011, 04:19 PM
Lucas101

Quote:

Originally Posted by *jdm*

you're wrong, it all started when a black person was killed by the cops

Thats what I read yesterday as well ... but Canadian media has a history of being incorrect regarding international events ...
08-09-2011, 04:20 PM
*jdm*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas101

Thats what I read yesterday as well ... but Canadian media has a history of being incorrect regarding international events ...

that was the original reason, who knows why they are rioting now
08-09-2011, 04:22 PM
BigNorr

Quote:

Originally Posted by *jdm*

that was the original reason, who knows why they are rioting now

Maybe they just like a good party like Vancouver does when they lose the Stanley Cup Final?
08-09-2011, 04:22 PM
TrulySorry

Because rioting beats watching cricket
08-09-2011, 04:24 PM
Morgan le Fay

Quote:

Originally Posted by *jdm*

you're wrong, it all started when a black person was killed by the cops

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lucas101

Thats what I read yesterday as well ... but Canadian media has a history of being incorrect regarding international events ...

When rioting broke out in Tottenham it was thought to be as a result of Mark Duggan's death. His family and his supporters immediately condemned the rioters actions. The other riots throughout London and other parts of the country are nothing more than mass groups of youths destroying home and businesses. It's been described as mindless.

Yes people have lost their homes and possessions after being burnt down to the ground. One man has been shot and killed.
08-09-2011, 04:32 PM
Lucas101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

When rioting broke out in Tottenham it was thought to be as a result of Mark Duggan's death. His family and his supporters immediately condemned the rioters actions. The other riots throughout London and other parts of the country are nothing more than mass groups of youths destroying home and businesses. It's been described as mindless.

Yes people have lost their homes and possessions after being burnt down to the ground. One man has been shot and killed.

I hate to make light of this situation but I'll bet all those ppl in England that were laughing at the Zombie house wish they had one now ...

In all seriousness this is obviously a very tentative situation, any thoughts as to what the authorities can do to prevent more rioting from occuring? If they start mass arresting youths the riots have a potential to turn a lot uglier.
08-09-2011, 04:36 PM
TrulySorry

But if they do nothing rioters will only grow bolder and the situation will spiral completely out of control.
08-09-2011, 04:40 PM
Hehe

It is pointless, from the little I know of it.

I was listening to the radio earlier, and it was a woman who was involved in the rioting. She said, from what I can remember, something about it being against the government and "the rich", showing them that they have rights, or something utterly stupid like that. I strongly dislike those who riot for no reason, or even at all. It really is idiotic...

Anyway, David Cameron (Prime Minister btw, for those who don't know :) ) returned from his holiday in Italy early to sort it out personally. I also heard that there will be 16,000 police officers in London tonight, and on a phone-in on BBC Radio 2 (I think) people were proposing that they used the army to help.

I'll find out more, if I can :)
08-09-2011, 04:45 PM
TrulySorry

Good read here:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...as-riots-rage/
08-09-2011, 04:47 PM
acer5200

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Originally Posted by TrulySorry

Good read here:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/08...as-riots-rage/

http://cymarizwankhan.files.wordpres...aux_news11.jpg

Seriously, don't trust anything you read on Faux News.
08-09-2011, 04:54 PM
TrulySorry

I never said i believe it. I just said its a good read
08-09-2011, 05:06 PM
Hehe

A timeline from the BBC website. For some reason it starts at the bottom and works up, but here it is:

Tuesday 9 August

14:15 BST - Prime Minister David Cameron visits Croydon to view the devastation from Monday's violence and looting.

11:06 BST - David Cameron makes his first statement outside Number 10 after cutting short his holiday to return to London. He announces a massive increase in police numbers and the recall of Parliament.

09:55 BST - The Football Association confirms that England's friendly against Holland at Wembley tomorrow has been called off because of the rioting in London.

09:43 BST - London Fire Brigade says it faced its busiest night in recent history. The brigade's 999 control centre answered 2,169 calls between 18:00 BST on Monday and 07:19 BST on Tuesday. This is around 15 times the normal rate of calls the brigade would expect on an average day.

03:06 BST - London Fire Brigade lists the major blazes is it fighting in the capital: 1. Timber yard fire ongoing in East Ham on Plashet Grove. Four fire engines and 20 firefighters on site. 2. Shopping centre and offices of four floors fire on Woolwich New Road. Whole of the ground floor is alight. 20 firefighters attending. 3. The fire on Lavender Hill now has eight fire engines and 40 firefighters at the scene. Most of the ground floor and part of first floor alight. 4. 40 firefighters at a fire in a warehouse on Solar Way in Enfield.

01:21 BST - The Metropolitan Police issue on their current operations across London. It includes the following bulletins - Hackney: 250-300 people gathered in Pembury Estate, setting alight cars and throwing petrol bombs. Businesses in Mare Street were looted and officers contained the situation. Three officers injured but their condition is not believed to be serious. Newham: Looting in Stratford High Street. Lewisham: Roaming groups of youths were involved in disorder. Bethnal Green: More than 100 people looted a Tesco supermarket. Two officers were injured. Croydon: Fires burning at a number of premises, including a very large blaze at a sofa factory.

01:05 BST - BBC staff member reports hundreds of youths ransacking a Panasonic store in West Ealing - no sign of police.

00:59 BST - Merseyside Police confirm they are dealing with a number of incidents in South Liverpool, including cars being set alight.

00:45 BST - West Midlands Police confirm that a police station in Holyhead Road in Handsworth, Birmingham, is on fire.

Monday 8 August

23:49 BST - Labour leader Ed Miliband is returning early from his holiday in Devon because of the riots, it is reported. He is due back in London on Tuesday morning.

23:30 BST - About 40 vehicles were damaged in a night of violence in Nottingham described by one senior officer as "motivated" by the London riots. Most of the incidents happened in the St Ann's area, but police foiled an attempt to break into the Victoria Centre in the city centre. The trouble lasted about three hours.

23:27 BST - Rioting is taking place in Ealing, west London, where the windows of a Tesco supermarket have been put out, a car is on fire and rubbish is strewn in public areas. There is also a fire in Haven Green park, opposite Ealing Broadway Tube.

23:05 BST - A BBC producer reports that phone shops are being looted in Woolwich High Street. He says there are several hundred youths involved, but there are no police around. There is also a burnt-out police car.

22:42 BST - Essex and Suffolk Police confirm they have sent officers to London to assist Metropolitan Police colleagues.

21:50 BST - A BBC correspondent reports seeing a fire burning in Clapham High Street but he can't see any police besides a police roadblock further up the road.

21:33 BST - The Prime Minister is to cut short his holiday because the situation has "demonstrably worsened", it is reported.

20:58 BST - Aerial footage is now showing several fires burning in Croydon, south London.

20:07 BST - West Midlands Police say some shop windows have been smashed in various locations, with property stolen.

18:45 BST - Video footage from Lewisham, south London, shows a fire burning in a street where at least one vehicle has been set ablaze.

18:42 BST - Transport for London says a bus has been set on fire in Peckham, south-east London.

17:39 BST - Spokesman for Mayor of London Boris Johnson says he is interrupting his family holiday to return to the capital to deal with the situation.

17:19 BST - Skirmishes break out between police and groups of young people in Hackney. The trouble reportedly started when a man was stopped and searched by police, but nothing was found.

06:15 BST - The Metropolitan Police say a further 100 arrests have been made and 16 people charged in relation to disturbances overnight on Sunday.

02:38 BST - The London Fire Brigade says firefighters have been called to a number of fires as a direct result of disturbances in the Enfield, Brixton and Walthamstow areas. Six fire engines and 30 firefighters are fighting a blaze at a shop on Brixton road.

02:20 BST - Scotland Yard says police are responding to copycat criminal activity across London. In a statement it says "small and mobile groups" of looters have been have been targeting areas of north, east and south London.

Police say gangs of youths are continuing to attack officers and shops are being targeted in Waltham Forest.

In Enfield, the High Street remains cordoned off after disorder in the area was contained. The situation in Walthamstow is said to be under control after some 30 youths - many in masks - vandalised and looted shops there.

00:45 BST - Six fire engines and 30 firefighters are despatched to a blaze at a Foot Locker store on Brixton Road, after it is set alight.

Three officers are injured after being hit by a vehicle in Chingford Mount, Waltham Forest. The officers had been making arrests after a shop was looted.

Police say a police vehicle windscreen was smashed during a disturbance in Islington and a Tesco store in Ponders End has been vandalised and looted.

Sunday 7 August

22:30 BST - Reports on Twitter of a police presence at Oxford Circus in London's West End. Police later say a mob of around 50 people damaged property in the area.

22:00 BST - More reports of shop windows being smashed in Enfield. Riot police and mounted police patrol the streets.

21:30 BST -The Guardian newspaper quotes a source as saying a bullet found in a police radio after Mr Duggan's death was police issue.

19:45 BST - Around 100 hooded youths gather outside Enfield Police Station.

18:30 BST - Three police officers are injured after intervening in an altercation in Brixton, south London. Missiles are thrown.

18:28 BST - Police are called to High Street Enfield after reports shop windows are being smashed. A police vehicle is damaged.

16:20 BST - Police announce the launch of Operation Withern to investigate the riots in Tottenham.

12:00 BST - Fire crews have all the fires under control but are still damping down some burnt-out buildings. Scenes of crime officers begin investigating and gathering evidence.

Police say 26 police officers were injured in the riots and two remain in hospital. In total, 55 arrests have been made.

Local MP David Lammy tells reporters the community has "had the heart ripped out of it" by "mindless, mindless people", many of whom, he says, had come from outside Tottenham to cause trouble.

Saturday 6 August

22:45 BST - As the violence continues, a double-decker bus is burnt out and more petrol bombs are thrown at police and buildings. Shops set alight in the area include an Aldi supermarket and a carpet shop.

Looting is reported throughout the night and some thieves take the opportunity to load up car boots and shopping trolleys with stolen goods. Vision Express, Boots, Argos and JD Sports are among the shops affected.

20:45 BST - The London Fire Brigade receives its first calls to attend and by 04:30 BST the following morning has dealt with 49 "primary" fires in the Tottenham area and received more than 250 emergency calls from the public.

No firefighters are injured in the disturbances but some are threatened by rioters, according to the London Fire and Emergency Planning Authority.

20:20 BST -The violence begins as bottles are thrown at two patrol cars close to the police station. One of the vehicles is set alight, while the other is pushed into the middle of the road before also being torched.

Unconfirmed reports say the incident was sparked off by a confrontation between a teenage protester and a police officer.

Riot officers from the Territorial Support Group and police on horseback are deployed to disperse the crowds but come under attack from bottles, fireworks and other missiles.

17:00 BST - Around 300 people gather outside Tottenham police station after marching from Broadwater Farm estate. They say they want "justice" for Mr Duggan and his family.

Officers are forced to close the High Road and put traffic diversions in place. Eyewitnesses report that the protest begins peacefully.

Before 17:00 - The IPCC provides support to 14 of Mr Duggan's family members and friends as they formally identify his body.

Thursday 4 August

18:15 BST - Mark Duggan, 29, is shot dead by police at Ferry Lane, Tottenham.

The death occurs during an operation where spe******t firearm officers and officers from Operation Trident, the unit which deals with gun crime in the African and Caribbean communities, are attempting to carry out an arrest.

Mr Duggan is a passenger in a minicab and is shot after an apparent exchange of fire. A police officer's radio is later found to have a bullet lodged in it.

The Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC) announces it will investigate the incident and later says it believes two shots were fired by police. An illegal firearm was recovered from the scene.
08-09-2011, 05:19 PM
Morgan le Fay

London so far has been quiet tonight, however it's now spread to Manchester and Salford.
08-09-2011, 05:22 PM
ruudong1

Quote:

Originally Posted by *jdm*

that was the original reason, who knows why they are rioting now

all the riot is orginized over the net at the moment the same was they orginize the football fights

at this point its an excuies to plunder england its orginized luthing
08-09-2011, 05:26 PM
ruudong1

breaking news breaking news
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&type=1&ref=nf

seagulls ar even getting involved in the looting its getting out of hand
08-09-2011, 05:29 PM
Professor X

Its moved up to where I live in Liverpool now. Its madness.
08-09-2011, 05:33 PM
*jdm*

Quote:

Originally Posted by Professor X

Its madness.

[insert this is Sparta joke]
08-09-2011, 05:39 PM
Desert Fox

No one that rules a country deserves to stay as the Prime Minster if he can't control his people.
08-09-2011, 06:01 PM
Hehe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Fox

No one that rules a country deserves to stay as the Prime Minster if he can't control his people.

I'm going to make a comparison to a situation that you could apply to yourself.

Let's say you have a dog. A good dog, always well behaved when you take it for walks etc.. I don't know if you do, but let's assume. Let's also say that you went on holiday for a bit, but couldn't take your dog with you, but it was OK, because you got someone to feed it, take it for walks and shut it away at night while you were away.

Now, one night while you are away, your dog breaks out of its cage somehow and ruins one of your chairs.

Is it reasonable to say, "That man should never be allowed near a dog again if that's what happens."? Hardly. And that's pretty much what you are doing.
08-09-2011, 06:05 PM
jorbaud

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desert Fox

No one that rules a country deserves to stay as the Prime Minster if he can't control his people.

From what I understand its not the prime minister's fault.
08-09-2011, 06:07 PM
Hehe

Quote:

Originally Posted by jorbaud

From what I understand its not the prime minister's fault.

Yeah, or that. :p
08-09-2011, 06:11 PM
jorbaud

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hehe

Yeah, or that. :p

Your analogy was a bit weird.
08-09-2011, 06:28 PM
Hehe

Your face was a bit weird, but I never complained :p

*ahem* Sorry for derailing :)
08-09-2011, 07:16 PM
Furrr

Feeling pretty embarrassed to British right now..
What i heard was that it originally started as a peaceful protest started by the victims family and soon got outta hand by all the chavs...
Its also now kicking off in just random places around the country, even though we're 5 hours drive from london there has been lootings and stuff... Just taking advantage of the situation.. :/
08-10-2011, 04:34 AM
KingLyam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

I'm sure you've heard about the recent violence, looting and general rioting that's broken out in England. It all began in Tottenham S. London when a peaceful protest over the police shooting of Mark Duggan escalated into violence.

It then spread into other London boroughs and to other major English cites. Birmingham, Bristol, Nottingham and Liverpool. There are rumors that other towns and cities are being affected.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14466477

No one even knows why all these disturbances are even occurring.

Im from Belfast - lived through Riots all my life within my local area. I can tell you its a very frightening thing for a child or any adult in fairness. But what you find is if the authorities dont step up their 'quashing' of the current lunatics then the Army must be brought in to stem the tide of these monkeys.

Martial Law is and should always be a last resort...but current escalation trends are now starting to bring to light that particular question. Army? Yes or No.

Rubber bullets, and baton rounds are a must, water cannons, tear gas.....etc all very effective against these unemployed low life scum that are filling the streets of England causing wanton damage and fear...(speaking from experience as former Royal Irish (Home Service Battalions) infantry soldier... )Holding back because of fear of court justice or other nation's views/propaganda is ridiculous when the lives of innocent residents and then future of local businesses is in jeapardy.
08-10-2011, 05:39 AM
Mopster

Luckily Im in a part of Liverpool where there were no riots but the damage they made is terrible.Over 100 police have been injured and all the cells in London are full.What the thugs dont understand is they have been caught on CCTV and there pictures are being published right now.

Its things like this that are terrible..http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14456065
08-10-2011, 05:44 AM
Deathslayr

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingLyam

Im from Belfast - lived through Riots all my life within my local area. I can tell you its a very frightening thing for a child or any adult in fairness. But what you find is if the authorities dont step up their 'quashing' of the current lunatics then the Army must be brought in to stem the tide of these monkeys.

Martial Law is and should always be a last resort...but current escalation trends are now starting to bring to light that particular question. Army? Yes or No.

Rubber bullets, and baton rounds are a must, water cannons, tear gas.....etc all very effective against these unemployed low life scum that are filling the streets of England causing wanton damage and fear...(speaking from experience as former Royal Irish (Home Service Battalions) infantry soldier... )Holding back because of fear of court justice or other nation's views/propaganda is ridiculous when the lives of innocent residents and then future of local businesses is in jeapardy.

One way or another, it must be stopped. In my opinion, if this is the only thing that will stop this, then there is no choice. Better to have injuries, and perhaps some lives lost than what is going on now.
08-10-2011, 05:49 AM
Mopster

I also feel for the shopkeepers that have had there stores burnt and looted all the personal time and cash invested in them will be ruined.
08-10-2011, 09:42 PM
jehlickam/highheels

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigNorr

Maybe they just like a good party like Vancouver does when they lose the Stanley Cup Final?

:rofl: yep that should be it...
08-11-2011, 01:57 PM
Newptor

I agree with those (most/all?) who've said that they got to do whatever it takes to get this stopped. Yes, there are limits to what they can and should do, but they may have to push the boundaries.

Remember when 9senukexu was here? Good times!
08-11-2011, 02:41 PM
Hehe

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Originally Posted by Newptor

Remember when 9senukexu was here? Good times!

That really was the coolest spambot I ever saw...He will be sorely missed lol :)
08-11-2011, 02:44 PM
Morgan le Fay

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hehe

That really was the coolest spambot I ever saw...He will be sorely missed lol :)

He had to suffer the ban hammer otherwise he'll been looting the sig shops.

That said the violence has calmed down. Police presence on the streets have had a positive effect.
08-11-2011, 03:02 PM
Hehe

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

He had to suffer the ban hammer otherwise he'll been looting the sig shops.

Most spambots are Russian, blithering idiots, but he was different, special somehow...He gave me a strange feeling inside :)
08-11-2011, 03:23 PM
BigNorr

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hehe

Most spambots are Russian, blithering idiots, but he was different, special somehow...He gave me a strange feeling inside :)

Oh good so it wasn't just me
08-11-2011, 04:03 PM
Hehe

It gave me hope. If this is the future of our spambots, we are in good hands :)
08-12-2011, 03:43 AM
vadmazing

I agree.I think the country is stressed about the cuts and that some criminals are using this to there advantage now. they should bring in the army now. And get control back. they are organizing this on facebook my town is only 7 mile from one the places where it kicked off and there was suppose to be a mass gathering here to,
08-12-2011, 03:52 AM
vadmazing

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morgan le Fay

He had to suffer the ban hammer otherwise he'll been looting the sig shops.

That said the violence has calmed down. Police presence on the streets have had a positive effect.

The famous last words. Thats like saying wat can go wrong now lol.
please dont say that hon lmfao

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