Japanpimp Battle Reports

A lvl 50 hero (max that can be hired) untrained with 100 attack + war horn will kill 2145 archers in a 550k archers setup, 15 stars, lvl 150 HH at 900 intel.
If no war horn and defender 10 buxoms, then 1683 archers killed. I don't think dxcalc lie.

Reports was against offline player. i don't think more 12k archers killed cover the time and much more archers used to a npc10 for training a hero to lvl 100 that will be lost.
So i bet against online player, you just hire first hero from feasting hall.

If that mean strategy, then i hope im on the appropriate way to learn it.

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Originally Posted by Oro

Actually the kills according to dxcalc is 7.5k with the numbers you provided. But I guess a strategist like you doesn't have to bother with trivial things like checking if what you are saying is right.

Stop embarrassing yourself JP, its painful to watch.

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So my guess was off by 6k archers. When I used dxcalc I forgot to plug in leadership on the attacker. My mistake. But the point is, my concept is still right. A player cannot scout bomb a top level defender in Age 2 who has a decent star set. Not an option. Kill ratio is too low. That is my point.
Everyone thinks scouts are so cheap and easy to build. They are not. They offer a very very poor cost/performance ratio. Players who just want to say "Yeah! I killed some of the defeners troops!" use scout bombs.
Maybe scout bombs are effective in Age 1 where players basically have limits on how many troops they can have in a city. But not in Age 2 where a player can have 50 million archers in their city.

If attacker sends ALL Level 100 heros with 700+ attack and defender has 14-15 star set, HH and ~250 leadership and 100+ intel...
100 MILLION scouts will only kill 8 million archers
Seeing how many Age 2 top players have 20+ million archers that is ~300 million scouts required JUST to kill 24 million archers
Now the attacker needs to kill the 20+ million warriors most top players have, the 5 million pike, 5 million sword, 2 million ballista, 5 million cav, 500k rams, etc...
To whoever wants to "own" a top player in Age 2 with scout bombs.... um, good luck???

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Originally Posted by japanpimp

So my guess was off by 6k archers. When I used dxcalc I forgot to plug in leadership on the attacker. My mistake. But the point is, my concept is still right. A player cannot scout bomb a top level defender in Age 2 who has a decent star set. Not an option. Kill ratio is too low. That is my point.
Everyone thinks scouts are so cheap and easy to build. They are not. They offer a very very poor cost/performance ratio. Players who just want to say "Yeah! I killed some of the defeners troops!" use scout bombs.
Maybe scout bombs are effective in Age 1 where players basically have limits on how many troops they can have in a city. But not in Age 2 where a player can have 50 million archers in their city.

If attacker sends ALL Level 100 heros with 700+ attack and defender has 14-15 star set, HH and ~250 leadership and 100+ intel...
100 MILLION scouts will only kill 8 million archers
Seeing how many Age 2 top players have 20+ million archers that is ~300 million scouts required JUST to kill 24 million archers
Now the attacker needs to kill the 20+ million warriors most top players have, the 5 million pike, 5 million sword, 2 million ballista, 5 million cav, 500k rams, etc...
To whoever wants to "own" a top player in Age 2 with scout bombs.... um, good luck???

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Lets make something clear, I never said scout bombing was a good tactic in fact if you go back and read my other post, I called the player suggesting it a noob. So you don't need to convince me of its noobishness. What I am complaining against is your ever growing ego which you seem to be unaware of. Your claim was of by 300% and you called yourself a master strategist for figuring it out in your head, do you see how incredibly wrong you are?

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Originally Posted by un3x

A lvl 50 hero (max that can be hired) untrained with 100 attack + war horn will kill 2145 archers in a 550k archers setup, 15 stars, lvl 150 HH at 900 intel.
If no war horn and defender 10 buxoms, then 1683 archers killed. I don't think dxcalc lie.

Reports was against offline player. i don't think more 12k archers killed cover the time and much more archers used to a npc10 for training a hero to lvl 100 that will be lost.
So i bet against online player, you just hire first hero from feasting hall.

If that mean strategy, then i hope im on the appropriate way to learn it.

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Oro, I am not saying that you said SB's are good. I am arguing the poster who did.
Thank you Un3x. I think you understand my point.
The point I am making and that I am correct on is this:
An attacker is only going to kill about ~2k archers with a 100k scout bomb in Age 2 if they attack a top player.
I have done enough Age 2 battles to have an "instinct" of the game and make good guesses. Notice my immediate response to the poster said they would scout bomb me. My immediate response was 'You'll only kill ~2k archers for 100k scouts.' That stands correct. I know because I have attacked 15 star set players enough to know what 100k SB's will do.
And I know that an attacker would not send L100 heros with the SB's. That would be a huge waste. I know they would use regular Feating hall heros between 40-50 without leveling them. And those heros will have ~200 attack and 40-50 leadership. And the top player will have a HH defending with high intel. I knew the kill ratio would be around 2k without doing any math. My experience told me so and Un3x proved it with dxcalc.

My official kill ratio guess stands. 100k scouts to 2k archers. Sure we can play with the numbers and heros. But in reality an attacker is only going to send non-levele heros for SB's. That is the part I did not write down but in the back of my mind it was included and one of the factors contributing to the 2k archer loss.

You can't argue with experience. That is why I am the top strategist in Age 2. I just know by "instinct" because that is how much battle experience I have.

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Originally Posted by japanpimp

Oro, I am not saying that you said SB's are good. I am arguing the poster who did.
Thank you Un3x. I think you understand my point.
The point I am making and that I am correct on is this:
An attacker is only going to kill about ~2k archers with a 100k scout bomb in Age 2 if they attack a top player.
I have done enough Age 2 battles to have an "instinct" of the game and make good guesses. Notice my immediate response to the poster said they would scout bomb me. My immediate response was 'You'll only kill ~2k archers for 100k scouts.' That stands correct. I know because I have attacked 15 star set players enough to know what 100k SB's will do.
And I know that an attacker would not send L100 heros with the SB's. That would be a huge waste. I know they would use regular Feating hall heros between 40-50 without leveling them. And those heros will have ~200 attack and 40-50 leadership. And the top player will have a HH defending with high intel. I knew the kill ratio would be around 2k without doing any math. My experience told me so and Un3x proved it with dxcalc.

My official kill ratio guess stands. 100k scouts to 2k archers. Sure we can play with the numbers and heros. But in reality an attacker is only going to send non-levele heros for SB's. That is the part I did not write down but in the back of my mind it was included and one of the factors contributing to the 2k archer loss.

You can't argue with experience. That is why I am the top strategist in Age 2. I just know by "instinct" because that is how much battle experience I have.

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LOL

So amusing, so very amusing. Keep posting jp, please. Don't ever stop. :D

*sigh* I am not even going to bother pointing out the many flaws in your previous post, for now I am done with this thread. I will drop by occasionally though to laugh at your posts.

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Originally Posted by japanpimp

Lol, then you better pack your bags.
I know more about Age 2 strategy than just about anyone.
Let's be clear on that. I am not talking about battle mechanics specific to Age 2 like leadership and life bonuses. I am talking about strategies related to uprise/supression battles, attacking in general, defense in general, star upgrades, etc... And when you add the strategems that are unique to Age 2 that adds totally new layers of strategy. That's just reality right there. Not bragging at all. This is why noobs still think that playing from a colonized position is "bad". They just don't get it.

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If you're the best strategist why don't you clear Atlantis like you kept saying you would already?

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Originally Posted by acer5200

If you're the best strategist why don't you clear Atlantis like you kept saying you would already?

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Very good question Acer. Let me answer it.
The alliance that captured Atlantis spent well over $50k USD. That gave them a major head start on workshop gear and star levels. It has taken a very long time to catch up and close the gap between their heros and my heros. Still not done with my stars. But all in all I need heros with at least 850-900 attack to clear it with reasonable effort. With lower heros the kill ratio is just too low. So you see, spending $50k on stars means that it will take years for others who spend moderately to catch up. Which I am still doing. Almost there though.
Also, it will require me to purchase penicilin which is not cheap. I can't even begin to thik about it until my heros are around 900 attack. Then I'll need to purchase a bunch of strategems. Again, I can't even begin to thik about it until my heros are around 900 attack.
So you ask why it has taken so long. I just explained it. Large spenders gain a tremendous head start. It takes an awful amount of time to close the gap.
You also need to understand that since Age 2 allows limitless troops and Evony has not capped them then it will take weeks if not months to kill off the 30+ million archers plus other troops built between now and the time I attack it. By the time I get around to attacking it I may have to clear 50 million archers or more. Thus limitless troops also cause a problem. Limitless troops takes a large part of strategy out of the game.

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Originally Posted by japanpimp

Very good question Acer. Let me answer it.
The alliance that captured Atlantis spent well over $50k USD. That gave them a major head start on workshop gear and star levels. It has taken a very long time to catch up and close the gap between their heros and my heros. Still not done with my stars. But all in all I need heros with at least 850-900 attack to clear it with reasonable effort. With lower heros the kill ratio is just too low. So you see, spending $50k on stars means that it will take years for others who spend moderately to catch up. Which I am still doing. Almost there though.
Also, it will require me to purchase penicilin which is not cheap. I can't even begin to thik about it until my heros are around 900 attack. Then I'll need to purchase a bunch of strategems. Again, I can't even begin to thik about it until my heros are around 900 attack.
So you ask why it has taken so long. I just explained it. Large spenders gain a tremendous head start. It takes an awful amount of time to close the gap.
You also need to understand that since Age 2 allows limitless troops and Evony has not capped them then it will take weeks if not months to kill off the 30+ million archers plus other troops built between now and the time I attack it. By the time I get around to attacking it I may have to clear 50 million archers or more. Thus limitless troops also cause a problem. Limitless troops takes a large part of strategy out of the game.

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Sorry JP but all im getting from that is you whining..
1) Your complaining that because he spent big in week 1 you are some how at a disadvantage one year later+? even though you spend as well? your whining because your star luck is crap just like 99% of other players lol

In addition to that you dont have to be a big spender to get a 15 set, Take Shawne from sentinel, he has all 15's bar one(one being at 14), spent very little i.e under $1k and yet hes gotten that far just by farming and a bit of luck.

2)Your moaning about him having a superior amount of troops than you? I thought you were the self-acclaimed top evony age 2 stratagist lmao, and are you serious about a "troop limit"?... first trying to take away multi-farming now this..

So stop with the overego, take some humble pie and learn how to play the game properly.

In all fairness, he wasn't the first to post about multi farming. He was simply the only one who got any attention for it.