Japanpimp Battle Reports

Here is the round by round movements. Since right now I haven't confirmed the way leadership works (give us a hint un3x!!), and I don't know whether any other rules come into play, such as the case where a hero's effective attack is halved for some reason (I don't know why this happens at all, though I see evidence for it, and it was pointed out to me by Gringo in my Excalibur thread) I chose not to calculate damage done per round. Because of this, some units might have had different targets, especially in Round 3.


R0:
D. Scouts 0
D. Cavs 0
A. Cavs 1700
A. Phacts 1700
D. Pikes 0
A. Pikes 1700
D. Swords 0
A. Swords 1700
D. Warriors 0
D. Workers 0
A. Rams 1700

D. Archers 0 -> full battlefield
A. Archers 1700 -> full battlefield
D. Ballista 0 -> full battlefield
A. Ballista 1700 -> full battlefield
D. Pult 1700 -> full battlefield

R1:
D. Scouts 0
D. Cavs 1500; attack A. Phracts, dead
A. Cavs 1500; attack D. Cavs
A. Phacts 1500; attack D. Cavs
D. Pikes 600
A. Pikes 1500; attack D. Cavs
D. Swords 550
A. Swords 1500; attack D. Cavs
D. Warriors 400
D. Workers 360
A. Rams 1520; attack D. Cavs

D. Archers 0 -> full battlefield; tradefire with A. Archers; Dead
A. Archers 1700 -> full battlefield; tradefire with D. Archers
D. Ballista 0 -> full battlefield; attack A. Archers; Dead
A. Ballista 1700 -> full battlefield; attack D. Ballista
D. Pult 1700 -> full battlefield; attack A. Archers

R2:
D. Scouts 0; Dead
A. Cavs 600; attack D. Pikes
A. Phacts 600; attack D. Pikes
D. Pikes 600; attack A. Phracts; Dead
A. Pikes 900
D. Swords 600; attack A. Phracts
A. Swords 950
D. Warriors 600; attack A. Phracts
D. Workers 600; attack A. Phracts
A. Rams 1340

A. Archers 1700 -> full battlefield; tradefire with D. Pults, due to overkill rule, attack D. Scouts
A. Ballista 1700 -> full battlefield; attack D. Pikes
D. Pult 1700 -> full battlefield; tradefire with A. Archers; Dead

R3:
A. Cavs 600; attack D. Swords
A. Phacts 600; attack D. Swords
A. Pikes 600; attack D. Swords
D. Swords 600; attack A. Pikes
A. Swords 600; attack D. Swords
D. Warriors 600; attack A. Pikes
D. Workers 600; attack A. Pikes
A. Rams 1160; attack D. Swords

A. Archers 1700 -> full battlefield; attack D. Warriors
A. Ballista 1700 -> full battlefield; attack D. Workers

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Originally Posted by japanpimp

Ok, so
Round 1:
Me: -4k ballista, -38k cav
Opponent: -15,218 archers, -10,206 phract

Round 2:
Me: -62 pults, -30,339 scouts
Opponent: -100 archers

.... waiting for rest of prediction

In the mean time, here is mine:
I kill all opponent cav and phract, 100k+ archers, 60k pike, 40k sword

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You missed the 109,768 archers from my long post and you lose 280k archers first round. Am I the only one getting impression that you didn't read my post?


Round 1:
Me: -4k ballista, -38k cav, -280k archers
Opponent: -15,218 archers, -10,206 phract, - 109,768 archers

Round 2:
Me: -62 pults, -30,339 scouts, you will lose pike layers and maybe sword haven't checked yet
Opponent: -100 archers, opponent will lose cav and phract this round

Fixed it for you, I will do math tomorrow, too tired now.
Oh and I owe you rep blah, I think you are right for the movements, I will just do the math for the damage defenders do to attackers :D, do you by any chance remember the rule for archer range damage multiplying and for the different unit battle multipliers. I don't use them but since JP wants 99% I should try and use em.

www.evonyurl.com/pgvq12

changed priority? mechanics battle broken ?
Archers:balli ratio is over 3.75:1, and both over the leadership optimum size, then penalty is too high. Thats what i mean Blaah. And please use 0 start for defender not like Aero. I cant read it :)

(All time age II hero attack is 1/2, bbs.evony.com/showpost.php?p=1471992&postcount=79 , at the end "I'm sure that many will not see the H/2.").

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Originally Posted by un3x

www.evonyurl.com/pgvq12

changed priority? mechanics battle broken ?
Archers:balli ratio is over 3.75:1, and both over the leadership optimum size, then penalty is too high. Thats what i mean Blaah. And please use 0 start for defender not like Aero. I cant read it :)

(All time age II hero attack is 1/2, bbs.evony.com/showpost.php?p=1471992&postcount=79 , at the end "I'm sure that many will not see the H/2.").

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I think I can explain this.
Even though at first look the archers have a higher combined attack when you factor in that the hero bonus is given to about 40% of the ballista and about 9% of the archers, the total attack after calculations gives the ballista a higher attack (I'm guessing but I am pretty sure I am right) and that's why you get that report. The 3.75:1 ratio was made for age 1 where the bonus would be given to all troops, I think the report you showed shows us that we need to factor in leadership before we make attack ratio assumptions. Also I am not sure what you are saying about the age 2 attack always being half but could it be your confusing archer range reductions with star nerfs?

Oro, I think the way ranged unit damage multipliers work is from 100%~50% of total range, damage is 50%, 49%~1% its 100% damage, and at less than 1% (could just be at 0 range) its 25%.

The damage multipler for different units are just copy'd from Aero's advanced combat mechanics thread:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vAzHRmxDcq8/TG...afkg40/uvu.JPG

Un3x!!! Thank you soo much for clearing that up! Are there any situations where we actually take the full attack of a hero instead of just half? Is it in all PvP battles that this takes place? How about HCs?

Ill take a look at the report, and edit this message when if I figure out any other input to add about that report. :)

Edit: Oh and Un3x, currently I agree with the way xAmnesiax and later Birtles equation for Leadership, since that is the only post that makes sense to me. You know more than me on that topic though un3x, mind pointing me in the right direction?
I did some small tests on leadership when I was testing for the Life bonus's, but it seemed abit above my capabilities to understand then. Hopefully now though, it can start making sense to me once I start testing again... once I find the time that is, LOL.

http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=147395

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Originally Posted by Oro

I think I can explain this.
Even though at first look the archers have a higher combined attack when you factor in that the hero bonus is given to about 40% of the ballista and about 9% of the archers, the total attack after calculations gives the ballista a higher attack (I'm guessing but I am pretty sure I am right) and that's why you get that report. The 3.75:1 ratio was made for age 1 where the bonus would be given to all troops, I think the report you showed shows us that we need to factor in leadership before we make attack ratio assumptions. Also I am not sure what you are saying about the age 2 attack always being half but could it be your confusing archer range reductions with star nerfs?

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yes, you close, for now only 1 thing isnt accounted , the range modifiers (same for 1% rule, but not remember where i posted it). H/2 is specific for age II.
i don't know in what assumption you do calculation:
-leadership same all rounds or changed round by round?
-leadership per total troops count or per stack? (that report clarify that)
-leadership do same penalty for attack like for inteli or is different?
-leadership affect 1% layers rule and target priority ?
-leadership formula and rules are same for HH like for regular RH?
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for around 850 reports i cant post these in 1 thread and seems like i'm lazy poster.
but changing the priority as resulting from that report is a great thing for a weak player like me. i can defend better. too bad that i posted the 1% rule. i don't think i can find more things like that.


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Originally Posted by Blah99200

Oro, I think the way ranged unit damage multipliers work is from 100%~50% of total range, damage is 50%, 49%~1% its 100% damage, and at less than 1% (could just be at 0 range) its 25%.

The damage multipler for different units are just copy'd from Aero's advanced combat mechanics thread:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vAzHRmxDcq8/TG...afkg40/uvu.JPG

Un3x!!! Thank you soo much for clearing that up! Are there any situations where we actually take the full attack of a hero instead of just half? Is it in all PvP battles that this takes place? How about HCs?

Ill take a look at the report, and edit this message when if I figure out any other input to add about that report. :)

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Thx a lot blah, I owe you more rep. If my memory is right 50-100% archer range = 50% power 25%- 50% = 100% power and 0-25% = 25% power. But I could be wrong, don't need anything more than this for JP's reports so I am good.

And un3x people find out everything sooner or later so keeping info to yourself for a extended period of time is practically impossible. When I do calc I persume leadership affects however many troops it should all the time unless the number drops below the leadership. So if you have 220k archers and you have a lvl100 hero affecting 110k or so of them and 110k die in a round I believe that 110k will still receive the bonus instead 55k lead troops and 55k non led troops in the next round. I try to simplify leadership as much as I can basically and don't get into nerfs that much since there isn't any formula I can do to determine them. Also I like to think that the evony developers don't make too many twists and turns, like RH having different leadership properties than HH or intel affects being different then attack effects. This kind of viewpoint has done me good.

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Originally Posted by Blah99200

Oro, I think the way ranged unit damage multipliers work is from 100%~50% of total range, damage is 50%, 49%~1% its 100% damage, and at less than 1% (could just be at 0 range) its 25%.

The damage multipler for different units are just copy'd from Aero's advanced combat mechanics thread:
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_vAzHRmxDcq8/TG...afkg40/uvu.JPG

Un3x!!! Thank you soo much for clearing that up! Are there any situations where we actually take the full attack of a hero instead of just half? Is it in all PvP battles that this takes place? How about HCs?

Ill take a look at the report, and edit this message when if I figure out any other input to add about that report. :)

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At 50% is full, and 25% happen when ranged are in range of units that attack, so if cavs with 100, then at 0-100 will have 25%.
For HA/2, always is HA/2 in ageII. The sentence "when outnumbered" have no meaning for me, as i use 1% rule and there not outnumbered.
There is a leadership formula, and is affected by star set and uprise. (in Birtles thread, a link).

As i said before, that's my little chance to defend myself, to use what any calculator do bad than real battle. ("real"? lol)

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Originally Posted by Oro

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And un3x people find out everything sooner or later so keeping info to yourself for a extended period of time is practically impossible...

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Sure, they started again after my last posts. My mistake ( :) ).


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Well, some good news and bad news.
The good news is that the supression settings did not change. The bad news is that the player moved their HH out of the city so the battle conditions changed.
However, the opponent had a normal level 100 hero with 756 attack, 100 leadership and only 24 intel.
http://www.inetassociation.com/evony/20110902-01.jpg

Interesting to note, the battle went an extra round based soley on the hero change. Also interesting to note, the kills that I made were roughly the same as the predicted kills that Oro made when the opponent had a HH.
Original report:
http://www.inetassociation.com/evony/20110831-01.jpg
Report after hero change:
http://www.inetassociation.com/evony/20110902-01.jpg

An extra round can mean a BIG difference in a battle. So how did a hero change make the battle go an extra round? Did anyone forsee that?
You know what else is interesting? I have one gear at 1 star... didn't seem to make that much of a difference. So obviously I do not have a 1 star set. Which means the gear with the lowest stars does not determine your star "star set" life bonus.
Considering everything... looks like we have a long ways to go before we fully understand Age 2 battle mechanics, bonuses and penalities and leadership....