Lucid Dreaming...a illusion or reality?

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Originally Posted by KriegTheDefiant

Lucid dreaming is real, most of my dreams are quite lucid and have been for most of my life. One trick I have learned while I was dreaming once was that i could make people in my dreams say what i want, like I would ask a question to someone in my dream then think the answer I wanted to hear, and the person would repeat my exact thoughts so i would know immediately that I was dreaming.

I don't always need a sign that I am dreaming, sometimes I can just tell. I used to be able to freely fly in my dreams when I was younger, but now I can barely levitate and keep myself afloat for more than a few seconds. Other times I just end up just shooting myself too high into the air then falling to my death and waking up. It seems as if I am losing control over it with age. :(

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Isn't it wonderful? - Lucid Dreaming. I've had a few experiences where my astral body was floating over me, and I tried very hard to detach it from my physical body but for some reason I just could not. I am usually successful when I don't think about it too hard.
It's also true that as you get older, you get less & less of these experiences. It's weird how that happens... Who knows why this might be :D

Much Love!

For the sake of arguing (I like arguing), i'm taking raster's side of this argument.

This business about out of body experiences is off-topic, and quite frankly, just your imagination... I can imagine myself looking down at myself too... nothing special about it.

Lucid dreaming, or the notion of realizing you're dreaming and then controlling your dream, is also your imagination. miza and Kreig even admitted it in their own posts.

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Originally Posted by KriegTheDefiant

It seems as if I am losing control over it with age.

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

It's also true that as you get older, you get less & less of these experiences. It's weird how that happens... Who knows why this might be

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Essentially, you've both just admitted that you never really had any control whatsoever.

Also, i'm too lazy to go and find it, but somebody said something along the lines of, "I thought what the other person in my dream was going to say, and they said it". And that was one of your facts backing up your argument. Newsflash, you're dreaming bud. Any of your daily experiences, any image/phrase/lyric that's stuck in your mind will influence your dream. Your subconscious thought of something somebody said in RL that day and inserted into your dream as one of your thoughts and the dialogue of the other person.

What i'm trying to say is, you may think you're 'controlling' things in your dream. But you're actually dreaming about controlling things in your dream.

I would agree with Eric and Raster. Dream control ultimately comes because you dream about being in control. I can remember my dreams, vividly, but never do I think I can have full control of those dreams. Sometimes, it's healthier to let the dreams play out how it's supposed to, because they can sometimes be indicators of a larger psych problems.

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Originally Posted by eric0095

For the sake of arguing (I like arguing), i'm taking raster's side of this argument.

This business about out of body experiences is off-topic, and quite frankly, just your imagination... I can imagine myself looking down at myself too... nothing special about it.

Lucid dreaming, or the notion of realizing you're dreaming and then controlling your dream, is also your imagination. miza and Kreig even admitted it in their own posts.


Essentially, you've both just admitted that you never really had any control whatsoever.

Also, i'm too lazy to go and find it, but somebody said something along the lines of, "I thought what the other person in my dream was going to say, and they said it". And that was one of your facts backing up your argument. Newsflash, you're dreaming bud. Any of your daily experiences, any image/phrase/lyric that's stuck in your mind will influence your dream. Your subconscious thought of something somebody said in RL that day and inserted into your dream as one of your thoughts and the dialogue of the other person.

What i'm trying to say is, you may think you're 'controlling' things in your dream. But you're actually dreaming about controlling things in your dream.

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I never stated it's my imagination that makes me lucid dream. You're just going around my words, trying to fit your statement. I actually even said that I tried hard to detach myself from my physical body once, but it didn't work. Why is that? I was IMAGINING it, yet it didn't work. So that being said, my imagination didn't contribute to my astral travel. It's the fact that I wanted to do it, and I DID. :) It's sure will, you're just not willing to do it.

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Originally Posted by Fallbreeze

I would agree with Eric and Raster. Dream control ultimately comes because you dream about being in control. I can remember my dreams, vividly, but never do I think I can have full control of those dreams. Sometimes, it's healthier to let the dreams play out how it's supposed to, because they can sometimes be indicators of a larger psych problems.

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Are you seriously going to tell me that I have never controlled my dreams? I have. Number of times. The way you're thinking, that you can't control even your dreams, of course you wouldn't be able to. :) Everything starts with a single thought & it manifests.

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Originally Posted by eric0095

What i'm trying to say is, you may think you're 'controlling' things in your dream. But you're actually dreaming about controlling things in your dream.

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I've had dreams before where I've felt like I'm in control, once or twice... but I've never really thought much into it. Now that I am, reading this though, Eric's making a lot of sense. There's already been research into the extent to which the subconscious mind influences conscious thoughts, and the results are overwhelmingly that it's the subconscious in control, and rarely the other way around. (For anyone out there who refuses to accept this without me giving some link, I say screw you and look it up yourself. It's not that obscure.)

Anyway, with that in mind...

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Originally Posted by Fallbreeze

...dreams... can sometimes be indicators of a larger psych problems.

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Just a passing thought, but is it possible that the illusion of lucid dreaming is an indicator that the person experiencing it feels they've lost control over their life? Seems like this could easily lead to something like attempting to control something else, such as dreams, to compensate...

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

Are you seriously going to tell me that I have never controlled my dreams? I have. Number of times. The way you're thinking, that you can't control even your dreams, of course you wouldn't be able to. :) Everything starts with a single thought & it manifests.

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...Yeah and the government's like, sending out brain waves, man, trying to... make us think things, man. No really, they are. Know why, man? I can like, feel it, man...

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Originally Posted by Fallbreeze

I would agree with Eric and Raster.

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Originally Posted by Bree Fletcher

Eric's making a lot of sense.

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Yay me :D

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

I never stated it's my imagination that makes me lucid dream.

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

I was IMAGINING it

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Wait... what?

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

It's the fact that I wanted to do it, and I DID. :) It's sure will, you're just not willing to do it.

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Again, astral whatever-the-heck is off topic. But i'll say again, I can imagine myself looking down at myself too...

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Originally Posted by o0miza0o

Are you seriously going to tell me that I have never controlled my dreams?

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Yes :D

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Originally Posted by Bree Fletcher

There's already been research into the extent to which the subconscious mind influences conscious thoughts, and the results are overwhelmingly that it's the subconscious in control, and rarely the other way around.

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Exactly, dreams are manifested by your subconscious. Just for your information supposed lucid dreamers, you're not conscious of your subconscious. You can't control it! Duh!

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Originally Posted by Bree Fletcher

Just a passing thought... <stuff...> to compensate...

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Probably true, Bree.

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Originally Posted by Bree Fletcher

...Yeah and the government's like, sending out brain waves, man, trying to... make us think things, man. No really, they are. Know why, man? I can like, feel it, man...

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Like, I LOLd, man xD

Lucid dreaming is just another realm of reality.
Only different is... you're more focus and aware of this reality.

Well Eric i have to say that lucid dreaming is not understood well enough for anyone to say it is or isnt "real". as for controling a dream, i believe if the state of sleep is deep enough that one can be aware of ones subconsiuos with waking then the person could in fact control a part of the subconscious.
but what do i know? i smoke far to much (?ummm yeah?)to even remember my dreams,so controling a dream would be out of the question.
I just thought it was an interesting topic.

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Originally Posted by KeepItSimple

Lucid dreaming is just another realm of reality.
Only different is... you're more focus and aware of this reality.

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Actually lucid dreaming is a verified state of consciousness during REM sleep. I just wish more people would look into this.

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Originally Posted by Las Noches

Well Eric i have to say that lucid dreaming is not understood well enough for anyone to say it is or isnt "real". as for controling a dream, i believe if the state of sleep is deep enough that one can be aware of ones subconsiuos with waking then the person could in fact control a part of the subconscious.
but what do i know? i smoke far to much (?ummm yeah?)to even remember my dreams,so controling a dream would be out of the question.
I just thought it was an interesting topic.

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Ones body is asleep then one can become consciously aware of ones dream state. This is lucid dreaming - and it's been dated back to as far as we can remember.
And you don't smoke too much. You're open minded. :)