Well we (the civs) lost if that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by gottibabe1
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Well we (the civs) lost if that is the case.Quote:
Originally Posted by gottibabe1
I doubt the mafia would do that this early in the the game. Tactically it would make more sense to wait till round 4 or 5 i would think.
You know too much about what would sound good to the mafia... I got my eyes on you >.> <.< ^.^Quote:
Originally Posted by BS.
I've already gone over this multiple timesQuote:
Originally Posted by gottibabe1
At this point I feel in my gut that if Alu is mafia, Gotti will be too.
Mafia can't oust each other. Since I openly declared "Alusair is mafia without a doubt", I can't be a mafia, if Alusair is (which she is).
And I had the same feeling Bole, and since I know for a fact Alusair is mafia, even if noone else does, I think Gotti could be too :)
And, as well, as jorbaud says, if Alusair provds to be Civ, and me as mafia, the game would be over for the civs anyway...
Hehe says Alu is mafia
So, either...
1. Hehe is telling the truth, we kill Alu. It is confirmed Alu is Mafia.
2. Hehe is lying, we kill Alu. It is confirmed Alu is civilian.
In situation 1, Hehe can be:
A. A civilian, telling the truth because he wants the civilians to win.
B. Mafia, he is killing Alu (who is still Mafia in this situation) to win the civilians trust. THIS CANNOT HAPPEN OR HEHE IS MODKILLED.
In situation 2, Hehe can be:
A. A civilian, (in this situation Alu is a civilian and Hehe is lying) who is just making stuff up. No end goal can be found here, it's just Hehe being crazy.
B. He's Mafia, and Alu has a good secondary and he's indirectly outing himself as Mafia to us all.
Ok, so situation 1A, civilians win because Alu is mafia and dead. Situation 2A is 50/50, if Alu dies and is proven Mafia, Hehe just looks good. If Alu dies and is a civilian it will look like Hehe is Mafia. Situation 2B has Hehe giving himself up to get rid of Alu's strong secondary. If this happens, we will kill Alu to find out she's a civilian then kill Hehe the next round, who himself may have phoenix thingy.
Situation 2A can be ruled out. I don't think anyone thinks Hehe is a civilian and just making up crap about Alu for no reason. He's either telling the truth or lying to hide something, that's why you play this game.
So 1A or 2B.
1A, civilians win all around. 2B, we kill Alu (civilian) but Hehe is outed as Mafia. I think that's an OK trade, 1 mafia is worth the life of 1 civilian no matter their secondary because 1 mafia life = 5 civilian lives.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but all possibilities are covered here. Hehe is correct when he said if he is Mafia he could have just lied to Morgan, telling her he is a civilian so it is not proof Morgan is Mafia. But, if Hehe is proved Mafia I don't think he would be doing this because 1 mafia life = 5 civilian lives. His death is 20% of the mafia, Alu's death is 1/25th (right?) of the civilians. If Hehe is Mafia, gets Alu killed by lying, we kill him next round only to see him back alive in 3 rounds, we will just kill him again. We would have wasted 3 turns (killing Alu, killing Hehe, killing Hehe a second time), but I still think 3 turns is worth the death of 1 mafia.
EDIT: Mafia cannot oust each other, yeah. So Hehe cannot be Mafia if Alusair is Mafia or he'd be breaking the rules and modkilled.
Deathslayr - 1 - (s139p)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 14 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Death, PIALPHA, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, jorbaud, Emma, Mat_93)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
In case i forget to vote later, and based on all the recent posts, seems the best option atm.
To clarify, raster has pretty much got the situations covered. While i disagree that 1 civ is always worth 1 mafia, its highly unlikely Hehe is lieing AND Alu has that important a primary and secondary role. Possible, but worth a risk in my opinion.
No, it is very likely that Hehe is Mafia and lying. But that doesn't bother me because Mafia wouldn't gain as much as we would if this situation were to play out.
Love No One, Trust No One, Nothing is what it seems
Your logic is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by rasterbee
Do you honestly think that mafia would be that stupid to obviously expose themselves like that.
Also, its against the rules to directly oust another mafia.
Raster stated that Mafia ousting another mafia is ridiculous and against the rules. I think he was implying that Hehe is Mafia and Alusair is Civilian.Quote:
Originally Posted by Furrr
Just want to say, in the likely event of my death, and proving of my role, here are my suspicions.
Lucas
Alusair - if somehow she'e immortal
Gotti
Maybe Mat? But not both him and Lucas...If Lucas is, I don't think Mat is...
A mafia risking themselves by claiming a civillian to be mafia is stupid and i don't think anyone with a brain would ever do that.
I guess we'll have to see when the round is over. Unless you're in a very reliable civvy group, it's close to impossible to tell for 100% sure whether Alu or Hehe are telling the truth. A lot of people are with Hehe, but that doesn't mean they are 100% sure. I'm still completely unsure myself, and will probably just vote for someone random this round unless something comes up pointing in one or the other direction.
But as I was told in a PM, unless this is some master mafia plan where all the roles fall into the right places - it's likely that Hehe is telling the truth.
Deathslayr - 2 - (s139p, Emma)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 13 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Death, PIALPHA, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, jorbaud,, Mat_93)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
you messed up voting bs
I took my vote out ages ago. So did Pi.
Deathslayr - 2 - (s139p, Emma)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 11 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, jorbaud,, Mat_93)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
adsfadsfafFURRsdfdsf
THE HELL YOU SO MAD ABOUT
Clarification: Seer and Doctor count as civilians for the effect of Serendipitous gift.
Deathslayr - 2 - (s139p, Emma)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 12 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, jorbaud,, Mat_93,L101)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
Deathslayr - 2 - (s139p, Emma)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 13 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, jorbaud,, Mat_93, L101, Death)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
Not that it makes a difference, but I'd rather not have a no vote.
If there is a sheilder and or chimera please contact me :)
Deathslayr - 3 - (s139p, Emma, jorbaud)
JPA32 - 1 - (Boleslav)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 12 - (Hehe, BS, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, Mat_93, L101, Death)
Hehe - 2 - (Alusair, gotti)
Kind of depressing when I'm killed first no matter where in the Gambler vs Mafia scenario I'm placed on. I guess I'm just not meant to play this game anymore. :p
BTW, looks like the votes are messed up. Some people were randomly removed and added. I'm going to attempt to fix it, along with doing my own vote change:
Deathslayr - 3 - (s139p, Emma, jorbaud)
JPA32 - 2 - (Boleslav, Alusair)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 13 - (Hehe, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, raster, BS., Mat_93, L101, Death)
Hehe - 1 - (gotti)
When you guys vote, please make sure you're grabbing the most up to date vote and not one from 2-3 pages ago. If someone slips in a vote just before yours, update accordingly. It'll avoid confusion like we have now.
Deathslayr - 3 - (s139p, Emma, jorbaud)
JPA32 - 2 - (Boleslav, Alusair)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 13 - (Hehe, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, raster, BS., Mat_93, L101, Death)
Hehe - 1 - (gotti)
Devis666 - 2 - (devis666)
Sheilder and/or Chimera, you are needed.
Deathslayr - 3 - (s139p, Emma, jorbaud)
JPA32 - 2 - (Boleslav, Alusair)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 14 - (Hehe, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, raster, BS., Mat_93, L101, Death, PIALPHA)
Hehe - 1 - (gotti)
Devis666 - 2 - (devis666)
Round is over.
Final vote:
Deathslayr - 3 - (s139p, Emma, jorbaud)
JPA32 - 2 - (Boleslav, Alusair)
Furr - 1 - (Mati2)
Alusair - 14 - (Hehe, Gr8, Morgan, furrr, Grito, Reas, estrickland89, JPA32, raster, BS., Mat_93, L101, Death, PIALPHA)
Hehe - 1 - (gotti)
Devis666 - 2 - (devis666)
People who failed to vote: Joemanf
Lynch: Alusair Mafia/Chaos Seed
Mobkill: Furr Seer/Crusader
Round three begins now. (Ends Wednesday 11pm EST)
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
JPA - 1 - (Reas)
Not mafia. This wont help the situation .
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 1 - (Emma)
jpa - 1 - (Reas)
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 1 - (Emma)
jpa - 1 - (Reas)
gotti - 1 - (Boleslav)
Don't care, Keeping my vote on you till I stop being bitter about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reasoner
I just want one plan to go right for once.
good grief, vote for gotti!
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 1 - (Emma)
jpa - 1 - (Reas)
gotti - 2 - (Boleslav, L101)
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 2 - (Emma,gotti)
jpa - 1 - (Reas)
gotti - 2 - (Boleslav, L101,)
I'm totally voting for the confirmed mafia.
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 2 - (Emma,gotti)
jpa - 2 - (Reas,BS)
gotti - 2 - (Boleslav, L101)
I would like to know how furr got killed there JPA. I gave you all the tools to save her and you made her take the seer eh. Something wasn't on the up and up that round. What do you have to say?
And to gotti, care to shed light on how lucas is confirmed? If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry Christmas.
Reasoner - 1 - (JPA32)
Lucas101 - 3 - (Emma,gotti, estrickland89)
jpa - 2 - (Reas,BS)
gotti - 2 - (Boleslav, L101)
Hmm well this proves that hehe wasnt lieing;)
Revo told me so.Quote:
Originally Posted by BS.
Revo told me you are mafia as well :oops:Quote:
Originally Posted by gottibabe1