Thats more than enough troops.
Use your highest attack heros for the first few waves. Then it doesnt matter what lvl attack your heros have.
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Thats more than enough troops.
Use your highest attack heros for the first few waves. Then it doesnt matter what lvl attack your heros have.
Thanks, but are sending 20k warriors w/ the waves of archers even worth it? I know it would help reduce losses, but by how much?
The traps and logs regenerate so the warriors would soak them up and spare some archers
just curious if this was done post patch why is the D.T still called rock fall? all my attacks on lvl 6+, post patch it is no longer called rock fall
I am not sure who is feeding this story about warriors but they will only get your archers killed. Don't bother sending ANY warrior..All Archers with layering or Archers/ballistas with layering.
k i got 200k warr and 150k archers 15k ballista 372 battering rams and around 1-3k for layering troops (cavalry, worker, pike, cataphracts, scouts, swords)
i have 10 heroes with attks 90+
my highest heroe is 118 attk
my other high attk heroes are 105-110 attk
i have lvl 9 rally point and can use war ensign
i will most likely use penicilin ivory/war horn and corselet
Do i have enough to attk lvl 10 npc as it is right now or do i still need to train more archers? up to 250k?
My first wave of attack will consist of 90k archers 15k ballista 372 rams and 100-1000 layering
My secondary attacks will consist of 20k archers 25k warr
Is this too much to send? Any advice would be great!!
:D kingdivine
How will sending warriors get your archers killed? Someone please explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdbond
is that a serious question?Quote:
Originally Posted by kingdivine
Because you will send LESS archers...L10 barb has 400K warriors for starters...May be people should actually look at their target first and not pass noob comments like, yeh trap..send warriors!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by LukaNator
400K warriors.
1300 rockfalls...
3300 ATs.
.
.
.
get the picture...
No that's because archers are faster and so, they get in the traps BEFORE the warriors.
Can someone just post what is needed as a minimum to attack a lvl 10 npc and suffer no losses!!
There is now way you can take zero losses. Its not possible.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jdbond
nobody is talking about sending warriors on the initial attack
people are talking about sending 10k archer + 20k warrior for the respawn... the warriors will soak up the trap/rockfall/rolling log respawn and when 40k warriors respawn the warriors will distract them while your archers eat them up
you can attack with 125,000 catapults and still take a lot of lossesQuote:
Originally Posted by matt.romy
level 10 archery + level 10 wall = they are going to get a lot of free rounds on you while your stuff hauls arse to get in range to fire back
Level 9 compass, 10k average losses with 100k archers sent.
Level 10 compass, 20k average losses with 100k archers sent.
WTF, upgrading anything but archery = POINTLESS.
Sending a bunch of warriors in the initial attack results in much higher archer losses.Quote:
Originally Posted by LukaNator
Sending a bunch of warriors in the follow up attacks results in much lower archer losses.
Well I took over a lvl 10 barb town today, pretty bad losses though lol...
I didn't have any war items to use, and I only had a lvl 9 rallly point. I also only had 7 waves I could send at a time due to feasting hall lvl and a hero I have captured but cant persuade.
Here's first attack:
http://battle4.evony.com/default.htm...3e642fa9cf.xml
Followed by this:
http://battle4.evony.com/default.htm...11efc81b4b.xml
It took me about an hour to get the city.
My war researches are all lvl 10. (lvl 9 HBR)
What's your archery level?
I have a L9 Rally Point too and no war items so I'm interested in your attack and results. But I can't bring up your reports. What did you send with your first wave? How far away was the L10 NPC from your attack city?Quote:
Originally Posted by BigestMidget
Thanks
I thought I'd try something different:
battle4.evony.com/default.html?logfile/fa/41/e2/0a/fa41e20a74d7318e1784ceac7881d991.xml
I have all skills maxed and had war horn and corselete buffs active. I even lucked out with a level 9 hero! My hero in this run had 130 atk.
I won't be doing that again. :) On the plus side I have plenty of kindling to start a bon fire.
+ Reputation for having the guts to post a loss and having a good attitude about it. We can learn as much from your failure as we can from other victories. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by DruthinLostlore
Well it turns out my attempt had to be called off. 125k warriors, ~115k archers, and 10k ballista isn't quite enough to make the completion. I'm thinking something closer to 150k each will do the trick? Too many losses on the first wave I guess, a penicillin would have made all the difference... too bad i used it like 2 days ago to raid an enemy alliance lol.
As soon as my server comes back up i'll post my reports. All in all they were fairly positive, just not enough troops to continue much longer in any timely fashion.
Edit: Here we go, reports coming up!
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/60/c7/7d/bb/60c77dbbc5419d1a75aafa67a9b371c6.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/6b/82/c4/15/6b82c415b148d521ac910baa3d343b28.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/67/ab/e2/ee/67abe2ee4ac98e57433d5cac1d9859a3.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/8d/a8/53/9d/8da8539d880884e41f7f3181b036315c.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/3a/d8/23/46/3ad82346c4646d61f979ca6fcbc095b5.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/82/3e/f2/f2/823ef2f25bfefbe9d2182e74a346a5b7.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/44/b1/1a/83/44b11a83f65dc1413189893ae3397204.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/2b/b5/60/bf/2bb560bfeb3365b6de19dc91cf8eaa59.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/35/bf/c6/00/35bfc6003723c8fd20123122e592b55f.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/f6/44/f5/bf/f644f5bf0d35ba7aa0703bda04004b41.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/2f/4a/a1/c6/2f4aa1c63904236025a313590b9b5d21.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/5f/78/94/ac/5f7894ac4f5596114e42a0eb56310c3a.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/4d/29/17/98/4d291798150af7e5e4a3e927ceb2ff62.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/bb/eb/c7/01/bbebc70131763130415465f992528686.xml
battle6.evony.com/default.html?logfile/5f/56/38/c5/5f5638c5b3ca6c8f2996e475369357c6.xml
And thats where i had to call it off, i simply couldn't maintain troop numbers from there and keep the attacks at an even interval so the loyalty would stay down.
Taking lvl 10 NPC is all about archers. You can take lvl 10 with only archers given a large enough supply.
To have less losses it is better to add some firepower to archers in the way of ballistas. Your initial attack should be as many ballistas as you can get, 10-20k and balance archers. You also want to rainbow 1 of each of the others.
It should look like
battle3.evony.com/default.html?logfile/00/7d/79/92/007d79925551618887de2182d1d6bd63.xml
After this you need to be hitting NPC every 50s or so. If you do that with just 10k archers at the time you will be fine. Depending on your research and heros, 5k may be enough.
I was dead on with the timing and i can rainbow next time i give it a shot. Just need to build my forces back up. 10k archers sounds like a pretty low number though, but it would make waving a bit more manageable.
Other little thought, should i even bother with transports? With the waving i'll eventually grab all the resources plus whatever regenerates, so is it even remotely profitable?
i plan on hitting a level 10 wednesday (can't support this massive army much past that lol) *******s eating 800k food per hour and i'm not even done training troops yet
have 90,000 warriors, 15,000 swordsmen, 83,000 archers, and 3,000 ballista so far. i have a level 9 rally point and quite a few of those 25% more troop things from the wheel so i plan on sending 5k ballista and 107.5k archers (112,500 total troops) but of course i'll rainbow 1 of every other troop. have level 10 of everything but medicine so hopefully level 9 will suffice. have the 10% attack and defense buffs ready to use (also won from the wheel heh)
going to keep building troops until i have about 125k archers and 125k warriors and hoping to get up to 30k swordsmen.
figure of the 107k archers i send i'll lose half leaving me with about 70,000 archers. going to send 8k archers + 20k warriors and 8k archers + 10k swordsmen and will hopefully be able to send 8 or 9 waves over and over.
have 2 allies nearby that should hopefully help with a few waves of their own to drop loyalty. *fingers crossed* so with luck it will be mine right before i go on vacation :D
i'll definitely post the first battle report because i worry without medicine level 10 and more ballista i'm going to take heavy losses on the main attack. very scared after looking at the above report but i keep telling myself i'll have more archers :o
You do not need transports if you are taking NPC over.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ScythianTaco
you only had 10% in the medic camp. they screwed up pennicilin where it gives 30% more of the guys in your medic camp so in this case it would have given you 3% more (30% of 10% = 3%)
used to give you 30% bonus so you would have 40% in the medic camp but like i said they screwed it up. it's only useful if you get up to 50% or so wounded (i think you have to be defending for that) and even then it only bumps you to 65% wounded instead of 80%
it's really not worth the $12 they expect people to pay for it
Penicillin was messed up like that? How is that even remotely effective now? Bah, i'm thinking i might just mass up like 500k warriors are mercilessly wave them and making my blood tribute to the NPC Gods lol.
Warrior spamming has been deemed illegal and will cause your prestige to be reset to 0 :confused:
That was the exploit? Warrior spamming?! Surely you're joking...
Warrior spamming is a method for earning quick experience and prestige (I believe). People were sending armies of 500 warriors against level 10 cities, watching them die, and then doing it again. I think Warrior spamming with intent to conquer is ok (which would require larger numbers), but when you are intentionally sending small numbers to their death for the purposes of experience and prestige, it becomes an exploit.
That's my understanding, anyway.
Not sure i agree with that. You gain experience whether you win or lose, but if you lose, you lose prestige, not gain. At least in my experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheshyr
My guess is that exploit was related to building troops, just not sure of the exact mechanic used.
when warriors trigger rockfall/traps/defensive trebuchets you used to gain prestige. people were sending 5,000 warriors at a level 10 city and would gain 3,000 or so prestige for it. they continuously did this to gain hundreds of thousands of prestige a day and now their punishment was to remove all prestige and reset them to 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Praaktis
you no longer gain prestige if you lose a battle so you cannot exploit the bug anymore. so i do not think you can get punished for sending waves of 100,000 warriors at a barb town to slowly remove all its defense. i'd actually like to see a screenshot of how much damage 100,000 warriors can do. i doubt it would be much and i'm sure you'll get a respawn before you can do too much damage :(
100k warriors do jack diddly against a lvl 10. An ally of mine did it to soften one up and it ended up doing somewhere around 1/8 the value of the warriors in damage to the city.
Just took a L10 city. Took 32 minutes from the first hit to the final capture hit. I started with 12,619 Ballistas, 277,155 warriors, 178,934 archers. My losses were 40,113 warriors and 41,421 archers plus a couple hundred each of workers, scouts, pikemen, swordsmen, cavalry from layering. I did not have a war ensign but I did have a level 10 rally point. My main hero was 116 attack, 3 others were over 100, 4 others were 90+ and one was 88. The attacks were 15-30 seconds apart. I sent them right back as soon as they got back. I did not wait for all waves to return before sending the ballista/archer big wave again; I just kept them going as soon as they returned.
My tech:
Archery 10
MT 10
IW 10
Medicine 9
HBR 9
I also had an Ivory Horn, Corselet, and Penicillin active.
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...96a1ff9311.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...61ff9f8f77.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...6d9ebe0d1d.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...4c7bc496f3.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...5b3e930f40.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...9942c525cd.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...1302137f2a.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...187577cbd8.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...2b3b5ca738.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...73dab7aace.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...e0188cf142.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...4c5edea8bc.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...cc474fdd1b.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...9e542fa3ea.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...103ec6cdbc.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...971b00e7c6.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...480a8e3460.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...b80efd4569.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...98e64648a9.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...07a8da1817.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...ae12d2cf15.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...06db7f828b.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...f623589d59.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...cc8cf02de8.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...335a14675f.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...116143b97a.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...a10a7b3ca8.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...ae068c23c7.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...ebfdbe4e0a.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...df74a1267e.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...8361642834.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...b5075b733c.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...71dd53ce93.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...f3ef2c5a5f.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...0094ef809b.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...c1f676e37b.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...251b28f002.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...8fe35000bf.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...6183122328.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...d5761674f4.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...9754b5b4b2.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...088cb0eac7.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...899fac42c6.xml
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...87204206f2.xml
Here are my results from today's lvl 10 Barb City. Pretty standard tactics used, 42 attacks in all. I am just posting the 1st, 2nd, some random middle ones and the last. I was sending wave attacks at about 1:20 min interval with a 7 min round trip, so I only had 6 or 7 out at a time ,which was actually a good thing considering what happened next. The server crashed at about 20 loyalty for 15min. So I had to call in reinforcements because my returning attacking troops had default travel times during the return trip, placing 50% of my wave forces in limbo.:
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...b81a5dcba0.xml
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...76dff6a4f1.xml
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...471cdee74e.xml
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...503aeee3d1.xml
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...33bd343b63.xml
http://battle3.evony.com/default.htm...e06ad89d71.xml
First hero = 122ATT, all 8 others were 70-90 ATT
All lvl 10 combat research + War Horn, Corset & Penecilin
Total beginning forces:
~150k Archers
~150k Warriors
~15K Ballista's
~1k Catapults
Reinforcements were:
~10k Pikemen
~6k Cavalry
~5k Swordsmen
~20k Archers
~10k Warriors
I figure I lost about half of all my troops, no mechanics lost.
sadyan, how did you know to time the 60k warrior march on the 40k warrior respawn? i thought it was random now, not constant?
i've been wondering if i send 8k archer + 20k warrior waves, how will i know which one will hit the 40k warriors so i know to buff it up a bit?
That was the first attack I sent after the server was restarted. I figured since it was down for about 15 mins. there would be a spawn of warriors there. Kind of an educated guess... :)
I posted all 44 of my attacks but apparently it was too long and won't post until a mod reviews it. I sent waves of 10k archers 25k-35k warriors. I did not adjust for the 40k warrior respawn. A wave of that size handles the 40k warriors with ease. Here's one of my middle waves after the 40k warrior respawn.
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...187577cbd8.xml
and another
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...480a8e3460.xml
compared to a non-warrior wave of:
http://battle8.evony.com/default.htm...b80efd4569.xml
Archery 10
MT 10
IW 10
Medicine 9
Ivory Horn
Corselet
Penicillin
Heroes ranging from 116 to 88 attack
Lost a total of 40k warriors and 41k archers in the attack using only 12619 ballistas on the first hit and no war ensign.
thanks for the info :D :D :D can't wait to take mine tomorrow wish me luck :)