What exactly is reality?

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Originally Posted by King Alboin

Interesting train these thoughts are, and i have a query, a poser if ya'll will....:

Suppose if no one existed anywhere, at any time, ever; would then 'reality' exist?

Again, i ask, in another way. Way back when no one existed, lets say um... 14 seconds before the big bang, was not reality still in existance?

I answer this with yes. Those who study magik know that they can manupulate the forces of nature, or existance, or whatever, yet they also know that they can not alter reality, that which is real, tangeble. Fortunes what may come, though one may alter how he/she/they'it view reality, reality itself is not altered. i cant judge what is real by my will, but only through what i sense, i can alter those senses which does not affect the reality of any other viewer of said reality, nor is the effect a change in reality as it exists as an 'entity'.

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Time is but a dimension... It's like our 3D world. You can think of "time" as this... circle or square. Currently we reside on this circle, but there are other parts of this circle that are not discovered and other circles. Therefore even if the Big Bang was a fact, well... everything really exists at the same time.

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Originally Posted by King Alboin

Interesting train these thoughts are, and i have a query, a poser if ya'll will....:

Suppose if no one existed anywhere, at any time, ever; would then 'reality' exist?

Again, i ask, in another way. Way back when no one existed, lets say um... 14 seconds before the big bang, was not reality still in existance?

I answer this with yes. Those who study magik know that they can manupulate the forces of nature, or existance, or whatever, yet they also know that they can not alter reality, that which is real, tangeble. Fortunes what may come, though one may alter how he/she/they'it view reality, reality itself is not altered. i cant judge what is real by my will, but only through what i sense, i can alter those senses which does not affect the reality of any other viewer of said reality, nor is the effect a change in reality as it exists as an 'entity'.

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I say yes too. All complexity is built upon simplicity.

Reality is the scaffolding of consciousnesss. Not the other way around.

I believe, that our realities, they're just individual perceptions. What we percieve to be reality, could just be all within our own minds, wether created by internal or external stimuli. Like that matrix. Yea. The Matrix.

Thats all what Descardes was on about hombre. But if you wanna understand about dimensions speak to a quantum physicist, because they have to deal with this stuff. If you wanna take a look at the seperation between the metaphysical and the empirical, go enrol in a hilosophy course or read some bertand russel.

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Originally Posted by challenger

Thats all what Descardes was on about hombre. But if you wanna understand about dimensions speak to a quantum physicist, because they have to deal with this stuff. If you wanna take a look at the seperation between the metaphysical and the empirical, go enrol in a hilosophy course or read some bertand russel.

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I don't wanna understand dimensions, so long as mine continues to exist.

Philosophy? Why would I want to learn that? I think I'm already philosophical.

*Strikes a scholarly pose.*

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Originally Posted by King Alboin

Interesting train these thoughts are, and i have a query, a poser if ya'll will....:

Suppose if no one existed anywhere, at any time, ever; would then 'reality' exist?

Again, i ask, in another way. Way back when no one existed, lets say um... 14 seconds before the big bang, was not reality still in existance?

I answer this with yes. Those who study magik know that they can manupulate the forces of nature, or existance, or whatever, yet they also know that they can not alter reality, that which is real, tangeble. Fortunes what may come, though one may alter how he/she/they'it view reality, reality itself is not altered. i cant judge what is real by my will, but only through what i sense, i can alter those senses which does not affect the reality of any other viewer of said reality, nor is the effect a change in reality as it exists as an 'entity'.

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I have to disagree with this statement, the "big bang" was the creation of our reality, so if you were there before it, I do not believe reality could have existed or would have existed.

As for the rest, you can alter reality in many different ways, you have the ability to alter your own reality and expand that out to altering others reality.

Reality is like a blanket, you can have it all bundled over you and feel comfortable in your reality, or you can share and spread it to others withing your reach. Thereby altering their reality.

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Originally Posted by abracax

I have to disagree with this statement, the "big bang" was the creation of our reality, so if you were there before it, I do not believe reality could have existed or would have existed.

As for the rest, you can alter reality in many different ways, you have the ability to alter your own reality and expand that out to altering others reality.

Reality is like a blanket, you can have it all bundled over you and feel comfortable in your reality, or you can share and spread it to others withing your reach. Thereby altering their reality.

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That relies heavily on the belief that the big bang ever happened. And someone with any scientific belief, will hold this as creationism, because that's essentially what it is.
All things created at one point in time? Really? From a cataclysmic explosion no less.

Doesn't that make as much sense as:

God made every single living thing at once.

I already touched on the religion pages ago to help explain my views on reality, but I do believe that it is a combination.

Every scientist will now even state that there was a greater power behind the big bang, they are not all willing to call it god, but they all believe there is a higher power to create such energy. That is also what I believe, I do believe in the big bang (although not quite that version of it) and I believe there was a higher power behind it all.

Now if you go before the big bang, I do not think we are capable of existing in that reality, I think that is a reality above and beyond our own. One that we cannot even come close to contemplating.

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Originally Posted by abracax

I already touched on the religion pages ago to help explain my views on reality, but I do believe that it is a combination.

Every scientist will now even state that there was a greater power behind the big bang, they are not all willing to call it god, but they all believe there is a higher power to create such energy. That is also what I believe, I do believe in the big bang (although not quite that version of it) and I believe there was a higher power behind it all.

Now if you go before the big bang, I do not think we are capable of existing in that reality, I think that is a reality above and beyond our own. One that we cannot even come close to contemplating.

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Erm scientists wouldnt say that as it was just a coase of all the matter in the universe being compressed into a sub atomicly sized space. And before that existance didnt exist outside this 'space' as all of existance was inside it. A difficult concept to grasp but doable. so the power that kicked off the big bang was essentially a giant nuclear reaction using all the atoms in the universe and merely pinging off some extra electrons in the process, hence creating the set of elements as we understand them today. Im sorry but there really isnt any place for god to hav made it happen. Not saying anyones choice in gods and religion is wrong. If youre religious just include it all as part of his/her/its/their ineffable plan.

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Originally Posted by challenger

Erm scientists wouldnt say that as it was just a coase of all the matter in the universe being compressed into a sub atomicly sized space. And before that existance didnt exist outside this 'space' as all of existance was inside it. A difficult concept to grasp but doable. so the power that kicked off the big bang was essentially a giant nuclear reaction using all the atoms in the universe and merely pinging off some extra electrons in the process, hence creating the set of elements as we understand them today. Im sorry but there really isnt any place for god to hav made it happen. Not saying anyones choice in gods and religion is wrong. If youre religious just include it all as part of his/her/its/their ineffable plan.

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Ah, but within the last 8yrs the scientific community has come to an agreement that a higher power had to be behind that action. That that much energy cannot just randomly happen. I have always believed in a combination of the two, it was announced as a consensus in the scientific community they believe a higher power was behind the big bang because there was no possible way to explain such a random even in nothingness.

The problem is, we can theoretically recreate everything that happens in our solar system, we can recreate conditions for primordial life, but no scientist can come up with any theory or recreation of what triggered the big bang in the first place. They are mostly in agreement in how it happened(personally go for the multiple simultaneous big bang theory myself), but not one person has any inkling of what triggered it all, so the scientists around the world came to an agreement that there is a higher power, of what they don't want to speculate, just that there had to be a higher power as the trigger itself.