It was fun so long as it lasted but I guess we are going back the rules being enforced with an absolute hypocritical Iron Fist, unless the it is the mod likes the thread, or is the one breaking the rules. Joy.
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It was fun so long as it lasted but I guess we are going back the rules being enforced with an absolute hypocritical Iron Fist, unless the it is the mod likes the thread, or is the one breaking the rules. Joy.
TWT, if you are commenting about the Convo thread, or the Bar thread, you will notice that in the rules that were posted, those two threads were specifically allowed to be spam zones, as we recognize that we do need an area to simply be a place for absolute ridiculousness.
And what about ALL games? Stupid question, Ban someone, say something about the person above, throw something at the next poster?Quote:
Originally Posted by logrus
What about those? Are they going to be closed down?
Stop complaining.
I'm not complaining, i'm furiousQuote:
Originally Posted by o0miza0o
They will stay, it's obvious. The only difference is that spamming, or trolling will be cut short in them, and if people can't stay on topic in threads like those, they will get closed.
I was talking to the creator of this thread, not you.. silly =pQuote:
Originally Posted by EduLeics I
So, does that mean that when myself and another person are the only 2 online and decide to play the ban-game, this is not allowed?Quote:
Originally Posted by abracax
but you would still be playing the ban game, it wouldn't be flaming, trolling, spamming or straying off topic,.
I think that's fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by EduLeics I
I agree to the first post though... I really doQuote:
Originally Posted by o0miza0o
no need to get snippy, if you dissagre just say so, failing at least try to keep the posts constucvie, that is one of the rules.Quote:
Originally Posted by o0miza0o
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Originally Posted by TWT
How is your first post opening this thread constructive?
I was adressing a serious problome using retoric, retoric being nessesary for any direct conversation about the actions of a mod result in a ban.
o.O You consider your topic of the thread serious?
It was pure criticism and not constructive criticism, and explain to me how it is constructive? I fail to understand how you view it as being constructive when you are doing nothing but crying "doom" because Logrus wants us to follow the forum rules a little better.
guys, let all calm down. There is no reason why we should be at each other's throats. Rather, we must think about how we will adress this in a more orderly fashion.
if by topic you mean issue raised, yes, just give it a few weeks, you will see
I agree with ABakker, TWT you did not raise an issue, you complained, there is a big difference. If you want to raise an issue, state what your exact issue is. Then offer compromises or solutions to the problem you see at hand. That would be constructive.
I really do not want to go 16 rounds over this, but it was more a warning than anything eles, and given the the unchecked nature of the moderators power even when they ise it pragmatically, what eles can be done?
Easy, talk to the moderator in PM's. Many here can attest the value of that. Ask how many people have PM'd a mod or two about infractions or certain threads and have changed the mods mind.
I am willing to bet FoxyBunny gets quite a few PM's every day about things that have happened, or threads she has closed. The mods are people to, and they are able to be reasoned with. Try giving it a try, you might find out there is a middle ground everyone can agree on.
I think we will have to agree to disagree,I will say however that in my excperiance with some of the, not all, but some of the mods, reason does not prevail.
look guys, I'm trying to do what I can here in the forums. We have succeeded in some of our previous task, and I'm sure that if we play our cards right here, we will succeed as well. TWT did raise the issue and the way he did it is fine. Thats, overall lets stop fighting with one another though and organize ourselves to address this issue a to get it addressed in the way we want. Yes, we have limited knowledge on what is said behind the closed doors of the mod forum, but I think that although there is this little hiccup here, things on these forums have been going back in the way we wish them too. Thats all I'm saying is lets stop arguing about it amongst ourselve and maybe talk to Logrus about it directly? Might be more effective.
PM'ing the Mods is better than making a big deal and complaining by making a thread like this.
Though giving up the fight is not in my nature, I agree a united frount is nessesary
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Originally Posted by ABakker
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Originally Posted by whiterosedreams
Exactly what I am saying, opening a thread is like getting in their face and putting them on the spot. Yeah I have done it too, but it is easier to work with a mod by PM's than it is to shove it at them in public.
to a certain degree, it does need to be made public though, yet it should stay reaonable in the public. Once it is made public is when it should then be brought into the closed doors of the pms.
Heres the way I see it, game wise. I figure as long as you keep on topic, and don't double post, it should be fine. An example of being off topic would be, say, going to the ban someone thread and posting "I like peanuts" or something like "I wish you would leave"
As long as nothing like that happens, I don't see a problem.
Why would I close the games. They are completely allowed. If you and another person are the only people playing the game back and forth that too is allowed.TWT, you have raised a valid point and I am willing to discuss it with you. However the issue that I am attempting to address here, is not people playing games and having fun. The issue I am attempting to address, is that people have been continuously de-railing threads etc. I am not going to lock down on the "Ban someone thread" or the "Vending Machine Game" as the whole point of those threads is to respond with short sentences. The rules that were posted and that will be enforced, are not my rules, they are the rules that Evony Admin posted that I have simply re-posted.
~L
It looks like I picked a bad day to stop huffing paint.
Thanks Dawn...
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Wha??? I am so confused...
Considering the usual chaos of the forums, there probably ever isn't a good day to do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dawnseeker
I have to say though, TWT, that your claim seems a bit... unfounded. Yes, the mods are clamping down on spam and derailment. That's their job. It's what they were "hired" or whatever to do-- keep order and calm in the threads.
I don't know much about the other mods, but I know at least that FoxyBunny, Logrus, and Cyhort (from the little I've seen of him since idt he's on this section of the forums actually, but you just said mods in general) in particular have been doing good jobs at keeping things in order-- and considering what we give them to work with that's saying something.
As to the united front thing... that sounds vaguely like you're trying to organise a riot of some kind which, as we've seen in the past, are uncalled for and fairly ineffective. When you signed up for Evony you agreed to abide by their rules. These are the rules. Complaining about them after you hit the "I accept" button seems a bit ridiculous, don't you think? At least they allow the games to continue as long as they stay under the premise of being games. If someone wants to talk about something not related to the games then they have the bar, convo thread, pms, or even a new thread if they dare risk it and can keep it on topic.
And after the mess the mods were left to clean up earlier I can't blame them for not wanting as many pointless messages wandering around either. How are they expected to figure out for example if someone posts a three word comment about cheese that it actually originally came from a thread about music?
I'll admit that sometimes it is easier and enjoyable to just wander aimlessly off topic without going to a different thread, but derailment and spam isn't exactly supposed to be convenient for us considering it's not supposed to be allowed at all.
Avarwen, thanks for the props, and you have hit the issue on the nose.
You stated that better than I was able to, I for some reason could not find the correct words, where as you have. Good job, I gave you rep for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Avarwen
lol, me organise a riot? No not at all what I meant. Rather, I just meant that we should try to work together to achieve our goals if they are benefical as a whole. I don't blame Logrus for pushing the rules so much after what has happened. I can think of specific post that never should have been made back a while ago, and when he had to sort through all that junk, I feel for him.
Anyways, like I said many times before, everything comes down to the judgement of the person. Thats we only get off topic on threads for certain reasons, and once we do, those threads tend to die fairly quickly. Anyways, I hope you guys see what I mean for the most part, its really hard to explain what I specifically mean, and without seeing things I have, perhaps you won't understand all of the backroom events that occur here. Anyways, I have never participated in any of the riots, though I think I've been mistaken as being apart of them before.
Also, as a side-note, Logrus never saw any of those due to his limited internet connection at camp, so he isn't really familiar with how those began in the first place.
+rep to Avarwen for that one.
Dawnseeker, you just earned a long-term slot in my siggie.
I hope you all realize we aren't trying to stop the fun and games! The games are ABSOLUTELY still allowed, as Logrus already said. The random comments and spam and derailment are still allowed, within a reasonable amount of threads that are fair game for such. But if someone wants to discuss something, is it really fair that a few certain people are guaranteed to spam and troll until the thread is either closed or so hopelessly off-topic that the OP will never ever get to discuss what he/she originally wanted to? We only want to chill that particular trend out.
I agree with Foxy. Fun and games are fine, as long as no one is having fun.
Exactly! Now you understand.
Must everything you post be so hilarious? At this rate, I'll laugh myself to death. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Dawnseeker