It usually takes me less than 10 minutes on a lvl 10...
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It usually takes me less than 10 minutes on a lvl 10...
Guide is really helpful, thank you.
Hey primalhuntjtr we are recruiting as well min 600k Pres and 2million honor are u there are you just in the army, the real army that has been f*cked over by this country for the last 20 years, if so I feel for ya
One thing that I am sort of confused on is first spear head only has archers? cause then later on he says we will loose 400k warriors in spear head yet in method one it says just to send 90-120k archers...that is confusing me.
i take a lvl 10 NPC with 95k archers, 200k warriors 2k sword 2k pike 1 calv 1 scout 1 worker and 1 cataphract
5 heros + 100 attack and 1 hero + 200 attack
npc 1 mile away
What is your wave configuration for that setup?
Nice guide might use it soon.
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Nice guide, took about 40 minutes, and lost 35K warriors, and 25K archers in all. Thanks.
Fantastic guide, Will use in future.
Beautiful work, prabhu. rep +1
Thank you guys for your comments and +rep :) I am thinking abt adding screenshots(I gotto find a hero to fit this case now;)) and a few minor changes, when I get some time in a stretch.
Fairly good guide, but I thought the subject of Penicillin should be brought up:
Penicillin is not nearly as useful as people at first think. The description is somewhat misleading, and can make it appear that you will take 30% less losses. However, it works on the other side, in that you can heal 30% more troops. But, since the calculation is done on the healing side, it works out that you have 13% casualties instead of 10% (Since 10 * 1.03 = 13), so it's a 3% reduction in troop loss, not 30% as may be expected.
Plus, Evony rounds all troop recovery to the medic camp down rather than up, so the 3% actually works out to be a bit less due to this rounding. With an expected loss of 30K archers, penicillin usually only makes the difference of about 500-700 archers (and maybe 1000 warriors). In the grand scheme of things, that's barely any.
So if you don't have penicillin, don't worry too much, it makes very little difference percentage wise. If you do have penicillin, it might be better saved for when you're attacking other players, since your relative honor determins your casualty rate, and when attacking others with similar or higher honor penicillin can be much more effecitve.
As for items in general:
For reference, my first conquering of an NPC 10 was done with all items and my second was done with none. My heroes were slighly stronger in the second try, and my losses between the two attempts were actually pretty close. 25k archers and 35k warriors the first time and 30k archers and 40k warriors the second. I'm not sure how much effect the items had on those numbers, but the difference is certainly there, if maybe smaller than I had at first expected.
The thing that was really interesting was that most of the difference in losses came from my initial attack and secondary wave. My original attempt I lost 6.5k archers in my first wave and in my second I lost just over 10k. Secondary waves were closer, differing by only about 3k. From there on out, my 15k/15k archer/warrior waves lost extremely similar numbers, with the only noticable differences happening at the respawn ticks, and even then it was only really different in the warrior losses. So it appears utilizing a huge atk hero on your first and second waves might offset the need for items even if the rest of your heros are rather pathetic comparatively.
A quick methodology suggestion here that I haven't seen as well:
You can substitute a wave of 40k warriors for the 20k/20k loyalty dropping waves as long as you suppliment an archer wave every 'tick' to clean out the 40k warrior spawn. It actually works out to be slightly cheaper than the archer waves, but you take significantly more warrior losses. The benefit here? For a good village 5k archers take about 5 hours to make (or 1k per hour) alternatively 20k warriors can be built in about 2 hours (10k per hour). This means you can build your loyalty dropping waves in about 4 hours each instead of 15, and at lower cost. Just a thought.
Just thought I'd add my thoughts to this already good guide.
Cheers,
Taco
Welp, I just did my first lvl 10, server 85. Things went fine, with one exception, drops.
I sent a small warrior bomb as wave 1 - so the drop was wave 3, right after my spearhead. THE drop, as in one... I took my time, hoping for a few drops, and cleared a total of 15 rounds with 40k warriors before taking it. My one drop was a Speaker. I understand it's a newer server, normal medals drops are horrible enough, but this is beyond my comprehension, seeing as NPC 10's are kind of the end-game accomplishment, excluding player battles. /sighs... Just more confirmation to me that the game planners here are typical mediocre noobs likely recruited from the barrels bottom.
Thanks everyone for the great guide, and all the great input. :)
I just conquered a lvl10 NPC earlier today, well, 10 mins ago.:p
Lost 35k archers, 50k wars...:(
and all i won was 1 holy water!!!!!!!!!:eek:
First attack battle85.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20091125/dc/da/dcda6b318f2aa6cb737f7683e41488c3.xml
with ivory horn, war ensign, penicillin...:p
Last attack
battle85.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20091125/76/a3/76a3094cd2f73c72211015027e02884b.xml
Lvl10 everything except medicine 9
Hero attack: main 151
others 90-109
Earned lots of prestige though :D
I cant believe this, grrr, please change the medal drop rate!!!!!!!:mad:
Hi guys,
Thank you for your comments/support this far :)
I have reviewed and updated a few stuff in the post.
Once again, comments welcome! ;)
well i use 30k archers nothing else against 40k warriors and i get 2k -5k losses
I too just took my first L10 last night--I didn't use any particular guide but did read this one before and used bits and pieces of it.
It's exciting to have all those number 10s in my fancy new city, but I have to say...no medals, no drops at all. NONE. I gained 35k prestige over the course of 30 minutes, and didn't get a single drop.
Guess I'll have to try again :)
Thank u very much for writing this very helpful guide
Rep+ (U deserve it)
LOL, just took my third L10, and zero medal drops on this one. :D
How many L10's will it take for me to get the last single medal I need? :)
Here are the stats for an attack with non maxed techs. I got impatient waiting for lvl 10 techs and attacked with MT8, IW8, Med8, Compass7, Arch8, HBR6. I did use all 3 buffs (war horn, corsett, penicillin). I attacked from a city directly next to a lvl 10 NPC, 1mi away.
1st wave 2k ballista/110.5k archers (used war ensign for this wave only)
2nd-3rd wave 25k arch/10k war
rest of waves 20k arch/10k war
Time to NPC:
Ballista/archer 7:10
Arch/war 2:56
Transporter/Arch 5:20
Sent 1st wave, waited until 1:56 until it was to reach npc and sent 2nd wave. 3rd wave was sent when 2nd wave was 1:56 away from npc...etc, etc. So my waves were all 1 min apart except for my loot wave which was between my usual 1 min waves (so was an extra wave).
1st wave lost 20k archers and no ballista. Total archer loss was 60k. Total war loss was 40k. Time for capture was around 40 min. Highest attack hero was 144, rest were 113-140.
Although I did not keep track of medals, I know that I got some because I was able to be promoted to General after the attack from Colonel.
This helped me conquer my very first lvl 10.The NPC was actually 2.2 miles from my city,i didnt lose much tho.
repped :)
this is just a refresher
Why the Warrior/Archer combo to bring down loyality? Wouldn't it be faster to send Cavs instead?
The primary target readers for this post are first-timers who know not how to take a level 10 NPC or those who need to keep a checklist before taking one. If sm1 has lotsa cav to be sent to a lvl 10 NPC, I believe the player must have the knowledge of owning a level 10 NPC already. Also, please note that archer/warrior waves cud be time consuming but are more cost-effective than cav.
Thank you very much for all your suggestions, criticism and +rep :)
http://hods.com/evony/conquering-level-10-npc-cheap/
this worked best for me
woo i don't know if i'll use this or another but i am sooooooooooooooo looking forward to being able to take a lvl 10 NPC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have seen it done in 5 min from 1 city, just using caves and phracks, other than the 1st hit which used 80k arch
Bump, bump, bump
nid some help..
refer to this thread..
bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=129385
i REALLY wanted a lvl 10 npc. i did this a lil premature and kinda just had references to what i was going 2 do. i had looked and looked but couldn find any form that could help me out for my situation.
i took this lvl 10 npc (which was 2 miles away) with 160k archers , 250k war , 40k pike, 50k swords, 20k scouts. a lvl 9 rally spot and a war ensing.
my main att hero was 162 att when i started, urs can be higher it really does not matter. it should not be lower though, if u want good results.
my tech is lvl 10 mt , lvl 10 archery, lvl 10 compass, lvl 10 iron working , lvl 9 med. i also was useing a ivory horn to help with loss's.
during my process i lost 35k archers, 45k war, 13k scouts, 13k pike, 13k swords.
( Part I)
ur city needs ATLEAST lvl 9 rally spot and needs 2 be very close ( in my case 2 miles) of your lvl 10 npc.
your first attack should consist of (apply war enging) 90k archers, 5k war, 5k scouts, 1k pike, 1k swords. i only lost 6.5k archers with my bow on this att.
your second (and every other att for that matter) should be timed 1 min behind this attack. as it takes 5 mins for a 2 mile attack with warriors you should send your 2nd attack at 4 mins and so on.
you DO need 9 heros for this , perferably above 100 att for better results. i how ever was usein a few crap heros ( 70 att to 130 att and my main hero).
after you send your first wave and take out all the troops. you will be sendin waves that look similer to this
if you (like me) only have 160k archers then your bows (untill your main att returns) should be 35k war , 10k archers , 1k pike, 1k swords, 1k scouts.
when they return you should start sending this bow.
16 to 18k archers , 25 to 35k war, 1k pike, 1k swords , 1k scouts ( of course the more troops the less your loss's are).
again i can not stress how important timeing is , you need 2 send an attack every min. you do have a little time for error but not much , maybe 30 seconds. anything after 1 min and 30 seconds and that attack doesn count (means the loytaly will rebuild). usein this method i successfuly captured a lvl 10 npc in a matter of 1 hour and 10 mins. i had 5 void attacks. below are sum reports from my attacks.
this was my main hit, i realized that cav are not needed . how ever you could use them if u wanted 2.
battle137.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20100604/c8/31/c831fd21c15fd58378e67749a82bc07b.xml
this is what i was sending untill my main attack got back
battle137.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20100604/37/8f/378fd373e89d941f7bcfcdce6e36cab8.xml
and this is what my main waves were composed of
battle137.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20100604/d1/09/d1095e327fca641ad3d0ace1b2991155.xml
you will notice it seems to get harder towards the end of capturing your lvl 10 npc. this i because ( i belive) the loytaly regenerates faster, after 30 loytaly you WILL have 2 send attacks every 1 min. as sending them 1 min and 15 seconds will make for a dud attack.
thanks, for questions send mails to 2Fly2Fresh server 137. :D
I farmed a lvl10 npc for 6 hours hoping to get prinzessin I got 16 nation and 16 Justice and i need 14 more justice towards the end i did not get any medals for about an hour any idea why? :dizzy:
I have a large army, with far more archers and warriors than is suggested at the start of this thread, but my heroes start at 140 Att and below. Plus I don't have 10k ballista. Is this still achievable without the ballista in the spearhead wave and the Att level?
you pick npc 1 or 1.4 mile away from you,ok 2miles is ok too,more then that is a pain
1st wave 3k warr 3k work 2k scouts 92k archers with best hero
2nd wave 2k warr 2k work 1k scouts 50k archers with 2nd best hero
all next waves should be 10-15k archers 200pike and 200 sword,no warriors,they are to slow,time is important as loyalty rises every 6 min in l10 you re hiting,You just repeat those waves until you get it,takes 40hits.
Using corselet is stupid,it works only for defence,thats if you are attacked and penicilin,dont use it,you ll get 13% heal instead of 10%,save that for times of war when you re gonna deplet a lot of troops
Thanks for that, I'll give it a shot!