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08-16-2009, 10:28 PM
cousineaua

Here is my defence guide:
Build 18333 towers
build 1 trap
build archers

What more is needed?

But a well thought out guide.
08-16-2009, 10:33 PM
Satan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

Abatis will give a 5k range start even if the opponent does not use cavalry. Like I mentioned, I'd spam abatis with 2-4 cavalry and 24-50 warriors and watch them get destroyed. Boring, but works.

In defense, as long as I have the 5k range, archers and towers will do a significant job against cavalry. Especialy if I have counter cavalry. That stops your cav so my archers and towers can hit them again and again.

are you aware that Warriors do nothing to Abati?
08-17-2009, 01:18 AM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satan

are you aware that Warriors do nothing to Abati?

Obviously, you don't know much. Either warrior do damage the abatis or 2 cavalry become UBER strong and wipe out 25 of them when they fight with warriors.

I am going with the later that abatis attack the warrior for some reason when paired with cavalry. I've done this on multiple occasions with about 100+ attacks a day with these mini spams.

So to answer you, I ABSOLUTELY know they damage abatis when paired cavalry/warriors. The lower the numbers, the better the % results. Too low yields nothing. It seems to depend on the over all number of defenses. With 3k abatis, about 300 cav and 1k warriors is proportional. reduce the number in half until you find your highest % and keep spamming.

Welcome to the new generation of attacks, where low attacks that lose are more effective than one giant attack that destroys everything. That way was the past. Keep up or be left behind.

I ALSO know that cav/warrior spams will damage defensive cavalry/cataphracts.

Send cav/archers versus traps/abatis and cav wil be killed in a greater number. If no cav, pikemen die. If no pikemen, archers die. Been playing a long time and adapt to the changes. I'm on server 3 and been playing since the first month of Beta. Yes this does work, do it for yourself.

Read, learn, do. If not, go try for yourself.
08-17-2009, 01:55 AM
Timotheos

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZingZang

"Defence Guide" is correct.

"defense" = American
"defence" = International English

Not everyone is American :P

Nice post overall, thank you.

please....it's "USian". they took "american" from the rest of us americans.

post script-i liked the guide.
08-17-2009, 02:01 AM
Timotheos

as somebody who enjoys having a lot of cavalry around (chhhhaaarrrgee!) i can tell you that 2k abatis is sweet **** all.
08-17-2009, 02:08 AM
cha1n89

when i get attacked people never send cavalry
08-17-2009, 02:12 AM
Timotheos

that's probably because they're noobs who don't like to lower loyalty to 0.

edit-for me attacking ppl isn't aboot resources. it's aboot getting you to join, teleport, or die. imo the loss never exceeds the gain if i can do one of those 3 thangs.
08-17-2009, 02:13 AM
K Delish

This guide was very helpful! Thanks for all the time you put into it! I'll be sure to make good use of this guide to help me get started. :)
08-17-2009, 02:54 AM
eddaddy

very good guide! but i disagree with the using of truce right after bp is off.
08-17-2009, 11:57 AM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by cousineaua

Here is my defence guide:
Build 18333 towers
build 1 trap
build archers

What more is needed?

But a well thought out guide.

A lot more than that.
08-17-2009, 01:39 PM
cha1n89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

A lot more than that.

get 30k archer towers
08-17-2009, 01:56 PM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by cha1n89

get 30k archer towers

I meant archers are not the end all be all defense. Cataphracts will tear them up. So will Rams. Even ballista/acrhers/layers will do it once abatis/logs/treb/trap are 100% gone depending on how many archers you are using.

Layer are the key. You don't need a lot, just enough to slow the opponent down for 1 round per layer. Archers are the 100% best unit in the game, but to assume they have no weaknesses or that is all you need to build is just silly.

Get scout spammed while sleeping one day and watch all your archers disappear. 100k scouts wil kill off 10-15k archers depending on your hero (mine is about 15500). If honor is below yours, I get 50% back for another 7750 dead archers. Then medic again and kill 4125. This is a total of 37475 from just 100k scouts over 3 attacks (medic each time cuts in half).

If you are in a guild, a guild can spam with scout attacks and destroy the best of archer defenses. Always remember to layer.
08-17-2009, 04:25 PM
Satan

Well just throwing this out here, b hy not have 33.5k Abati(People please say Abati, its not abatis when used in the plural forum)? With 500k Archers as well, stationed in the town, just have the abati, and have gates open. Btw, Abati are a great way to get honor, because Cavalry are a hell of a lot more expensive then abati.
08-17-2009, 05:10 PM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satan

Well just throwing this out here, b hy not have 33.5k Abati(People please say Abati, its not abatis when used in the plural forum)? With 500k Archers as well, stationed in the town, just have the abati, and have gates open. Btw, Abati are a great way to get honor, because Cavalry are a hell of a lot more expensive then abati.

I hope you have more than archers in there.

At that point you would just send in archers with layers (rainbow), scout bomb, or, even better, send in rams. Otherwise, send cav/archer spams to take down abatis/opponent layers.

Optimally, you would find his barb farm and farm from them and make him come to you. 500k archers don't feed themselves.
08-17-2009, 05:19 PM
Finestela

You do know that 100k archer + max tower pretty much annilates any "single" wave they try to throw at you, right?

Counter-scouting? Get 150k scouts and no one will bother scouting you after a few failed tries (unless the other guy is insane like me, who is obsessed with getting the largest scout army, and wiped a 160k scout with 3 waves of 100k scouts).

Also:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Abatis
The plural form of Abatis is still Abatis.

Before you manage to get to high number of scouts (50k+), I would recommend closing the gate... however, after you have decent number of scouts, it's fine to leave it open.

Not being able to get information from a city is a great deterrence for the other guy trying to attack you.
08-17-2009, 05:22 PM
Satan

Umm, 500k archers is pretty good for server 21.
08-17-2009, 05:56 PM
Finestela

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satan

Umm, 500k archers is pretty good for server 21.

I agree... 500k archers guarding a city would make me give up on trying to go for that :p

I mean to break THAT, we're talking about sacrificing 1.5~2 million archers to mill it down...
08-17-2009, 06:29 PM
Satan

And almost No one has that. At least in my server. I also have 5k Cataphracts.
08-18-2009, 11:26 AM
Ulfhere

battle3.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090817/50/f9/50f993c7c4fd507835d590b35c4fa823.xml

If you can explain how 20 cav destroy 72 abatis other than the warriors, I would love to hear it.
The hero's mighty attack is 48.
08-18-2009, 01:35 PM
cha1n89

lol...................
08-18-2009, 06:02 PM
Satan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

battle3.evony.com/default.html?logfile/20090817/50/f9/50f993c7c4fd507835d590b35c4fa823.xml

If you can explain how 20 cav destroy 72 abatis other than the warriors, I would love to hear it.
The hero's mighty attack is 48.

When did I say Cavalry didnt kill abatis? Warriors don't toutch Abatis.
08-19-2009, 12:31 AM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satan

When did I say Cavalry didnt kill abatis? Warriors don't toutch Abatis.

Ok, idiot, how does 20 cav kill 20 abatis? Easily, one on one. How does 20 cav kill 72 abatis when warriors are added? I said, they help. You said nothing to explain the difference. I even posted the report and gave the hero ATT. Say something more. How does 20 cav with warriors kill more than 20 cav if they do not help? The answer is, they help.

You need to take facts in, and come out with answers. Instead you ignore facts in, and spout the same stupidity.
I give evidence, you give opinion. The wrong factual information I may add. The facts are proof. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Disprove me or get a clue.
08-19-2009, 12:53 AM
cha1n89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

Ok, idiot, how does 20 cav kill 20 abatis? Easily, one on one. How does 20 cav kill 72 abatis when warriors are added? I said, they help. You said nothing to explain the difference. I even posted the report and gave the hero ATT. Say something more. How does 20 cav with warriors kill more than 20 cav if they do not help? The answer is, they help.

You need to take facts in, and come out with answers. Instead you ignore facts in, and spout the same stupidity.
I give evidence, you give opinion. The wrong factual information I may add. The facts are proof. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Disprove me or get a clue.

It was all the cava warriors do nothing againt abatis if u sent 500000000 warriors against only abatis u would lose and get no kills
08-19-2009, 03:31 PM
Satan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

Ok, idiot, how does 20 cav kill 20 abatis? Easily, one on one. How does 20 cav kill 72 abatis when warriors are added? I said, they help. You said nothing to explain the difference. I even posted the report and gave the hero ATT. Say something more. How does 20 cav with warriors kill more than 20 cav if they do not help? The answer is, they help.

You need to take facts in, and come out with answers. Instead you ignore facts in, and spout the same stupidity.
I give evidence, you give opinion. The wrong factual information I may add. The facts are proof. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Disprove me or get a clue.

You sir, are a complete idiot. Cavalry have a much better ration against abatis then 1:1. As I said before Warriors do NOTHING to abatis.
08-20-2009, 12:33 AM
Mcnubins

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

Ok, idiot, how does 20 cav kill 20 abatis? Easily, one on one. How does 20 cav kill 72 abatis when warriors are added? I said, they help. You said nothing to explain the difference. I even posted the report and gave the hero ATT. Say something more. How does 20 cav with warriors kill more than 20 cav if they do not help? The answer is, they help.

You need to take facts in, and come out with answers. Instead you ignore facts in, and spout the same stupidity.
I give evidence, you give opinion. The wrong factual information I may add. The facts are proof. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Disprove me or get a clue.

I'm sure at some point there is a 1:1 Ratio but at some point HBR, IW and MT come in to play thusly skewing that ratio.

You need a hug.
08-20-2009, 05:26 AM
dziuggy

great guide +++++
08-20-2009, 10:35 AM
Ecocandle

Thanks

This was helpful.
08-20-2009, 01:42 PM
Chitown

I have only been playing for three days so please don't laugh when I ask this.

How do you close your city gates????

Thanks
08-20-2009, 01:51 PM
cha1n89

go into your rally spot in it next to the button Medic Camp there is a box check that box to open them
08-20-2009, 02:51 PM
Chitown

Thanks!!!!! Any other tips for a newbie?
08-20-2009, 03:30 PM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by Satan

You sir, are a complete idiot. Cavalry have a much better ration against abatis then 1:1. As I said before Warriors do NOTHING to abatis.

Back it up. Show me 20 cavalry with 48 ATT hero destroying 72 abatis on their own. I offer proof, you offer opinion.
08-21-2009, 12:36 AM
primalhuntjtr

nicely done on the thread. :D keep it up!
+1
08-21-2009, 11:05 PM
cha1n89

thanks.....
08-22-2009, 09:16 AM
:Prophet:

I liked ever tip you gave here except the warehouse section i would not build multiple warehouses and when u get stronger there is no need for warehouses you will need more barracks to recruit army faster.
08-22-2009, 08:25 PM
Cygnast

Yep

Quote:

Originally Posted by :Prophet:

I liked ever tip you gave here except the warehouse section i would not build multiple warehouses and when u get stronger there is no need for warehouses you will need more barracks to recruit army faster.

Great guide. Nice work.

I agree. WH's are useless, I have none in any of my cities. They dont hold enough to make a difference and the space is better used by barracks, IMO.
08-22-2009, 09:16 PM
cha1n89

Quote:

Originally Posted by cha1n89

Purpose

This guide is for new players who are just coming out of the seven day protection period

For begginers 0_0
08-22-2009, 09:46 PM
etenightstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torian

What is the best balance if u have 45000 spaces like a lvl 9 wall. what balance of denfenses goes best with 20000 archers?

75% AT?
10% Treb?
5% logs?
5% abitis?
5% traps?

I personally have 13k AT's,1200 Logs,1200 Trebs,3000 traps and 1050 abaits on lvl 10 walls.

Thats seems to be a good mix to me but I have high lvl machinery to replace the traps and other things when destroyed.
08-22-2009, 09:52 PM
etenightstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulfhere

Back it up. Show me 20 cavalry with 48 ATT hero destroying 72 abatis on their own. I offer proof, you offer opinion.

What idiot sends only 20 calvary agaisnt even just 72 abaits.You send 50 and they'd likely bust through but even then I dont attack with less than 250 at a time.
08-23-2009, 09:59 PM
cha1n89

Quote:

Originally Posted by etenightstar

What idiot sends only 20 calvary agaisnt even just 72 abaits.You send 50 and they'd likely bust through but even then I dont attack with less than 250 at a time.

lol...............
08-26-2009, 04:46 AM
Ulfhere

Quote:

Originally Posted by etenightstar

What idiot sends only 20 calvary agaisnt even just 72 abaits.You send 50 and they'd likely bust through but even then I dont attack with less than 250 at a time.

You need to go back and read. 20 cavalry was sent with 200 warriors and 20 abatis died. I think there were 5000 abatis. Even if only 300, my point is 20 cav wil not deal the same amount of damage as 20 cav/200 warriors to abatis. The later will destroy more.

If 72 abatis were somewhere, I would send more to kill it.

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