:O Im actually proud. Well i said my piece and no matter how many times i say it, this obviously is a one way discussion so im off to other threads/things.
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:O Im actually proud. Well i said my piece and no matter how many times i say it, this obviously is a one way discussion so im off to other threads/things.
In self defense does not just mean your own defense, it also means self defense of others.Quote:
Originally Posted by wpack10
Here you go, quoted from PA's self defense laws.
Third parties:
The right to defense of others turns largely on the reasonableness of the belief that the victim deserved assistance. A minority of jurisdictions require that the rescuer be a member of the victim’s family, or the victim’s superior or employee. Similarly, a minority of jurisdictions require that the rescuer’s belief be correct, reasoning that the rescuer ‘merely steps into the victim’s shoes’, while the majority requires only that it be reasonable. Pennsylvania law imposes no such restrictions. It does, however, require the additional showing that the rescuer believed that his intervention was necessary, and that the rescuer retreats if the victim would be required to do so.
If in the course of intentionally defending himself or another, a defendant recklessly or negligently injures or kills a third person, self-defense will not bar liability, but it will reduce the gravity of the charge from an intentional crime to a reckless or negligent crime.
This is about what Escelante did in his actions.
Well I'm pretty ashamed of myself, I didn't step in even though I kept checking the thread. Then just after Zenrax left, I said it was funny! Although I was meaning Knuckles comments to Zenrax rather than what happened to lyla.
To use your example:
In hockey its known as the 3rd man in rule. If someone starts bashing on your teamate, and you jump in, whether to pull your teammate out or kick the crud out of the other guy, you are assessed a 5 minute major and possible game misconduct.
In those cases there are refs there watching the whole time; in REAL life its not like that. As pointed out earlier the mods aren't here 24-7. That is why there is this thing called self defense and the little known thing called citizens arrest.
There is a law that protects those who do cpr to try to save someone; if that person dies it isn't the fault of the person who was trying to save them. Sort of a bit Duh right? I see this as the same, he stepped in to help.
Sure it wasn't text book, but had he not jumped in things would have only got worse.
Not to mention those banned have potential for further abuse where-as the mods have apparently decided that Escalante does not.
I have to agree.
Bad pet, bad ! :(Quote:
Originally Posted by woody513
I will have to teach you some manners !
No I wasn't bad I was pathetic.:(:(:(Quote:
Originally Posted by o0miza0o
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Originally Posted by woody513
I give you respect for publicly saying this.
I might aswell because people will find out anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by abracax
I recommend everyone pause and take a few moments before posting on this thread. There are a lot of heated emotions and tense discussion which clouds judgement and results in not a good discussion with a positive outcome.
I have made it quite clear that discussing and posting criticism to our volunteer forum moderator team or the way they have done their moderator duties is not permitted here. That is not to say appeals cannot happen, they do. And we welcome positive feedback from forum users wanting to give constructive feedback on moderator actions. My post states how you can do those two items.
There will be no further discussion on what the moderators have done in the thread being discussed here. If you feel you wish to appeal a suspension or moderator action and you are directly involved, you can direct that to the Community Liaisons (Dawnseeker, Swansea, Valkirah) or to myself after them.
The forum moderator volunteer team do a tremendous job on keeping the forums in order and I think I have made it quite clear that mutual respect is needed to be upheld at all times.
I am going to close this thread for a day to let people's thoughts cool off. The forum moderators can re-open it.