Funny...meanwhile newer players, or ones who did not medal farm are being put at a tremendous disadvantage...
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Funny...meanwhile newer players, or ones who did not medal farm are being put at a tremendous disadvantage...
sounds good.
Only thing is that defining soon is very ambigous.
Just to clarify, the main issue/exploit of the medal exploit was:
Attacking already cleared valleys with incredibly fast scout attacks continuously within 30 secs of them being cleared.
With a 100% chance of getting a medal, and scouts able to attack a directly adjacent valley every 20 secs or less, players were raking in medals at a conservative rate of 10 a minute using multiple heroes from each city.
To my understanding of the ambiguous and totally unofficial 'understanding' that someone got from a brief, unofficial, chat with an unknown Dev: (yes i have a big problem with this, why can't a dev put out the official exact details of medal drop changes, to reassure their huge PAYING player base).
- We will now NOT get any medals attacking a valley with zero troops defending it.
- We will NOT get any medals from attacking a valley owned by a player.
- We will get 20-50% chance of a random, lower medals, drop from valleys/NPC villages that have troops defending them.
- We will get unknown % chance of random, high medals, drop from NPC villages.
With the new system:
The fact you will only get medals from attacks where there are defending troops, eliminates the medal exploit. As you can no longer use multiple fast small scout attacks to collect medals. Meaning you'll need to send single attacks every few mins, rather than multiple attacks every few seconds.
With the new system:
As the fastest attack you can send that would wipe out defensive troops would be cavalry, and they'd take serious losses, the 20-50% chance of lower level medals being found means you could conceivably get a few medals a day (with about 3 hours gaming a day). And you'd have to be rebuilding cavalry continuously (at the expense of time and resources, with no reward except possible medal, and minimal hero experience).
Or you can send more effective attacks (with slow infantry), suffering minimal losses, a few times an hour. Earning 1+ medals an hour, meaning 5+ hours to obtain a single medal you want at low levels.
My thoughts on the new system:
It sounds like a fair system, and very workable, for the current stage of the worlds. But as players grow and obtain more medals and are able to get 10 villages, at level 10 TH, and hold up to 100 valleys... There will be very few valleys left unclaimed, and players will need to attack the remaining NPC villages to obtain medals. There may even be few of them left, and those that are left would be low level ones as the high level players team together to take the level 10- NPC villages for themselves with 100 simultaneous attacks. But that is far in the future, and there is time to adjust the medal drop system to compensate for that progression.
Cheers
Shins
Thanks Gazza for giving your own time to research this and find time to speak with the devs to get more info. I'm guessing you don't get paid to do this, so big thanks for what you do. You do all of us a great service.
It's not you i'm not happy with, it's the lack of prompt updates from the Devs that has me annoyed. :)
Cheers
Shins
I got to Captain and Knight through doing the quests and now I'm out of beginners protection and haven't found a single medal.I wonder how many guys have great titles from playing when a different drop rate was in play.Maybe a few more quests with medals to help us guys who joined after the change as a catch up.
Is there a timetable on the next adjustment to medal drop rates?
I have been attacking fully loaded barbarian cities twice an hour for 2 days and have yet to get a single medal. I have not gotten a medal or item from valley or NPC attacks since April.
I scratched and clawed to get my first set of Rose Medals before the change that ushered in April Medal Fest 2009. When it came I was still so traumatized by the drought of Rose Medals I farmed until I had dozens of each, not knowing what woudl be needed later.
It was crazy. I still have 100+ Lion Medals. Whatever teh Devs do they shoudl try to avoid teh massive pendulum swings we have seen so far.
YAA!! No more stickie upon Major Knight!! :cool:
It's been almost a week and I have won like a 2 medals. Now I stuck with 4 cities...
thank you, i hope this will be applied soon
i sent a mail to the administration with a suggestion about the medals drop with even the algorithme of conditionnal programation .i hope they read it
2 weeks and no medals and while we're waiting for the new policy every valley that is close to me to move to and resource is being taken but larger guys all around me. I can't resource with lvl 1-5 valleys when all the lvl 7-9s are taken. When I can finally advance any resource area I need will be a hour away and undefendable. Thanks for dragging your feet Devs.
edited, wrong post.
The drop rate was at 20 percent......ummmmmmmmmmm.
Hardly. that would mean that 20 percent of us should be saying....I got a medal.......But no one is getting them.
So it is clear that this is a lie. It is merely impossible for the drop rate to have been/is 20 percent.
Try again.
At this point, with teleport being broken, I do not atticipate the dev team 'fixing' the drop rate. In the next couple days, they are doing a completely new system. Why fix something that there is already a diffferent fix designed. The medal versus teleport issue is like why fix that hole in the dam when the sky is falling? Or more accurately concernign medals, why fix the dam when we are going to drain that one and use a new one. medals are probably not going to fixed until the new update goes live. 2 more members of my guild got a medal. We are up to FIVE since the change from 100% down to (*coughs) 20%. I think that puts us at 1 in 30k chance of getting a medal.
I have talked to them since but there is/are more important things than the medal issue to be honest... The medal issue is resolved and we're just waiting for the patch,
Just checked my logs and they said this,
[07/05/2009 07:31:03] Dev: **, we want to keep it confindential for now. The new medals system is going to be out very soon. Gifts will be sent right after that.
Ive had to edit it slightly since i wont/not allowed to tell you guys what the gift is...
I got told the gifts will be out WITHIN 7days - according to the mail we received ingame.. Heres the QUOTE
All beta testers will get special gifts within 7 days. Cheers!Thats how i got the 'Medal fix will be issued within 7days maximum....
The mail ingame was sent 2days ago, Meaning the new medal patch will be implemented within the next 5days...
Hope that clears it up a bit more?
Thanks again for keeping us all posted Gazza :D
That is my conclusion based on the evidence i have. You guys also have the evidence there to see....
I will get 150% confirmation tomorrow (its 11pm here right now) on the exact date of this patch/fix.
Thanks
Thanks Gazza for everything you are trying to do.
20% drop rate currently? I'm finding that really hard to believe, I'd be having far different results if it were true.
does the new drop rate also apply to items like mich. scripts and such?
gazza = bestest mod evar
thanks much gazza, you are indeed a great mod :)
i have a quistion gaza will the gifts be sent out to people who have bine playing in the beta till it went live or will they go out to ppl who gave feedback ??
I think every account that was created before the name change to EVONY, However i will get this confirmed tomorrow when i speak to the devs again..
Thanks for your time and effort on this Gazza.
No problem, been awake for 20 hours now,
I guess its off to bed.. Any more questions or anything just ask and ill clear them up when i wake up.
Hurray...time to get a few thousand warriors for the barbarian village raids :)
I like the sound of 50%-90% :D
I need low lvl medals atm though so Ill start with the vallies xD
i hope so. on server 4 i'm "dredvrdici". i'd like my lost cross medal. its driving me nuts being stuck on civilian. no matter how hard i try i can't win a cross medal in battle
Someone mentioned about Michaelangelo Scripts, but was never answered. I was also pointed to this thread by Logrus. There have been no drops of these that I have seen lately. Will they be included in the update for medals?
Thanks for finding all this out for us Gazza.
Yeah i've been hitting level 1-8 valleys for a week yet and I got one cross medal. Poop! :P
Hmm.. I was about to quit, but I think I'll just give my resources to my alliance members till things change. Combat has become so boring without anything to look forward too. Thanks for getting the info :)