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Culture and technology are the extension of our evolution, as biologically we don't adapt that quickly. so, i would say we are progressing to a state where subsistance is less of an issue, freeing up some time to have discussions such as this. that's not to say what we have right now is better than what it was 100, 10 or two years ago, every moment is unique and relative to the people being affected by it.
I think war is only good if ya got a real resson 2 fight for like freedom etc.If the world can just ahve no war and just peace it we can put are labs 2 use for better ressons ,but warefare has happen since cavemna years.
I think war is necessary at times and we have to do it. To protect the country and others. Peace would be nice, but that just wont happen. The world was made with evil and good and both sides cannot win.
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Another problem: When humanity thinks of 'nature' and 'the world around us,' we always think of a seperate entity than ourselves. We willingly seperate ourselves from basically anything we did not create. Humans who are 'at one' with nature, or however you'd like to put it, are always viewed as one might view a chimpanzee, a somewhat-human beast. Until mankind can interact with nature without having to raze it to build the next minimall, perfectibility will be out of reach.
Also: Everybody's a little bit racist. It's just to what extent that matters. I'm sure we've all made one or two Asian jokes; I like to take the philosophy that it's fine as long as it was only meant to be funny.
Anyway, what I'm saying is that when people keep starting sentences with, "I'm not trying to be racist or anything, but...." it just gets annoying after a while.
Human kind is the one type of animal that has competition for fun. Not because we need it, we WANT it. We could live fully productively and united, since we are capable of logical process. Humans could have a perfect society, but that is unattainable do to certain beliefs of different groups of society.
Religion, politics, and racism are the three greatest roadblocks to overcome; unfortunately, everyone knows how much fun it is to argue about those things.
Well perfection is an odd idea in itself, the concept of perfection is just not something that can literally be applied to humans in anyway, or any sentient being. Self interests will always win out over the interests of the group although some might put aside their interests for the well being of the whole, there will always be a considerable bit more who act like they are going along and are destroying the group from within with small actions of self interest.
My personal belief is that the major eroding element of society over the last 200yrs is the oppression of various peoples by religions. Religion and not money is one of the major motivators of war and self interests, and it isn't just the fanatics that cause these issues it is the whole system and every single person who helps support their respective religions. We put such an emphasis on religious beliefs and the fact that some of the major religions have what I call the "No co-existence" rules which causes extreme friction between the different religions, and as we all know the world is largely made up of people who practice 1 religion or another.
Also war is not a necessary evil, war is an evil propagated by religious and political leaders in an attempt to show who the strongest is, and history should serve as a lesson that almost everything you read in a supposed historical text is never accurate and almost always views the winner as the one who was right unless you are living in the country that lost.
Hitler: was a sadistic and twisted madman who warped what could have been seen as amazingly good goals into complete crap. Equality is great but can never be achieved through slaughter and genocide.
Sadly we will never see a hint of perfection and religion and politics will continue breed hate and distrust in even the most intelligent. Racism will never die it will always be there and partly because those that have been discriminated against over the last so many centuries will not forgive and move on, amazing how those that were discriminated against often end up hating the children of the ones who discriminated and so it continues, and I guarantee that figures who make their living out of racism will not let it die(everyone knows these types of people, we get to see them on the news often enough).
Also no nation or people are actually striving for perfection as they all realize it is an unattainable state. What we see advertised as perfection on tv and the relative sources of media is nothing more than trying to sell you a product that they have deemed perfect in the hopes they will fool enough people into making them rich.
Perfection does not and will not ever exist because no matter how good it gets it will not be perfect, because we do not view ourselves as perfect or capable of perfection nor do we entertain the idea that someone else can be perfect because that would mean we would have to admit they have no flaws and it is our nature to find as many flaws as possible even subconsciously in our fellow humans.
In closing I would just like to say we are actually only more worse off now than 100 years ago because our weapons are more destructive and leave the people launching them worlds away from the death they are inflicting. On my final thought I would just like to say that human have completely ignored the nature of life, the healthy and strong survive and the weak or crippled die that is just the way things are meant to be, our sciences and medical advancements have impoverished the world and the views of duty to those of old age who have lived their lives has become sickening to the point of families leaving grandfathers and grandmothers on life support for no other reason than they themselves are afraid to die and will torture their loved ones just to keep them around. the world is not capable of supporting the diseased/sick/crippled/dieing population just as it is not capable of "perfection"
Humankind will forever and always remain imperfect not because of any one flaw but for the definition we have given the word is unattainable.
A question on perfection. In the question 1+1 the perfect answer would be two isn't it? you say perfection is unattainable and yet I have given you a perfect answer.
I myself believe that we will enter a stage of human perfection. but when we do we will have new ideas of perfection. Also our cultures and people are too diverse to only have one "perfect answer", something Hitler didn't understand (mentioning him since you did). so in tidier words we will probably become perfect for some people and for others we wont, (thus supporting your idea that collectively we cannot become perfect). Perfection is attainable but when we have it, we will see another level of perfection.
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