Which do you think was more successful: the Roman Republic or the later Empire? (Not taking into account events completely outside their control, such as 'barbarian' invasions or drought)
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Which do you think was more successful: the Roman Republic or the later Empire? (Not taking into account events completely outside their control, such as 'barbarian' invasions or drought)
The Empire was more successful up until the army gained control of the throne. That, and the empire got too wide for them to control.
I'm afraid I have to ask you what you mean exactly by "successful". ???
Is this star wars?
I would say the republic was more successful.
Sure the empire owned more territory, but the republic seems to have contributed more to culture and the quality of life of it's citizens.
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Originally Posted by criplockin
Re-read the OP.
I did, And still dont understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by armbarchris
And nice picture fail, I would embarrass you right here (Insert Pwn Pic).
I dispute that these were outside of governmental control.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axer NZ
Folks, please try to keep this on track, will you?
Hey, in absolute fairness, that was my original thought too! The title of this thread sort of leads straight to that conclusion...especially if you consider the sci-fi guy who wrote it. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by criplockin
As for being on track, I think the Republic was a great idea, but the Empire was far more successful...at times. As with any endeavor, one strong leader will do a better job and provide more cohesiveness and unity of vision than a group of people. It works great as long as you have a brilliant and humane leader. When you get a psychopath in office or someone with serious personality defects, that's when it all falls apart. The key to a Republic is that it provides protection against the one guy in charge being a monster.
Sorry crip, but I had been thinking about that pic when I saw your your post and couldn't pass. The point I was trying to make was that is says in the OP "ROMAN republic or empire." Romasn have nothing to do with starwars, although if one only read the title I can see why you'd think that.
There were some individual emperors who clearly had issues, but over all the Empire was, in the beginning, much stronger than the republic. The republic had some serious flaws. But then, after a while the Emperors stated to become weaker and weaker. On top of that a number of other factors such as drought, the Huns displacing other tribes as they moved west, the decline in loyalty among generals and soldiers, the serious inflation from money being spent outside the Empire, etc. came along. Some of those, but not all of them, could have been prevented if certan measures had been put in place before hand, but some were unavoidable.
lmao... for all those people that thought of star wars, im with you.
I saw the title came here thinking to get into a long sci-fi movie dispute...
Only to be disappointed with a subject that i do not really care about.
*Starts reading about Roman Empire and Republic*
*Falls asleep after first line*
ROMAN. As in, based in ROME. Which is not the same as Coruscant, last I checked.Quote:
Originally Posted by criplockin
Oh, so the emperors controlled the weather and all of the raiders that sacked Rome and things like that. Obviously. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Boleslav
Well put. Also, IF this thread was about Star Wars, there wouldn't be any contest. It's a choice between a just, peaceful government and a tyrant who murders his subjects, buries them beneath taxes, and can shoot lightning made out of EVIL from his hands!Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyBunny
Pfft. In Star Wars Palpatine gets OWNED by Darth Vader. So much for his lighting
And besides, Mace Windu would have killed him long before that, if Anakin hadn't interfered and betrayed the Jedi.
How great can his lightning be when all you need is a lightsaber to reflect it right back at him? Sounds like a good way to get yourself killed.
(Yesh, i is a Sci-Fi Nerd)
Didn't the Republic blow up the Death Star? I thought they won?
EDIT: Damn. Someone already made that joke.
How on earth can you possibly say "no contest"? Puhleez....you're just jealous that the Empire gets spiffy uniforms and the Republic is stuck creating ridiculous hairdos.
Well in terms of overall success I would say that the Empire was more successful. But the Republic laid down the foundation that allowed the Empire to be so successful, so I'd say it could go either way.
I'm waiting for Conrad to see this and post a 1000 word essay....
lol im sad.. i saw the title and thought Star Wars..
As am I Pie. I was going to (to keep up with my second resolution), but I can't be bothered to at the moment. I'll make a longer post at a later date.
I would like to point out, that a republic will fall in two ways, or most governments. First is from the inside, which is part of how the Roman Empire fell, once the bidding wars started for the throne. Second outsiders taking over, which is also what happened when the Vandals took Rome. The Empire fell in both ways. The Republic however was even worse. It was starting to fall apart before Caesar took control. It had its faults, even though it was a great idea, the Senate became corrupted and then wars broke out and someone took control, with an army. In my mind if The empire hadn't been giving the throne to the highest bidder, it could have stayed for more time. Therefore in my opinion the Empire was more successful.
As for all the Star Wars lovers. The reason that this sounds like Star Wars is because that is where Lucas got his ideas from the Roman history, also WWII with the stormtroopers and how he got power, but also mainly The Roman Empire and Republic that is why it sounds similar.
I choose the Empire, Darth Vader was very cool.
aren't mods suppose to help make sure everyone gets that this is about Rome not Star wars?Quote:
Originally Posted by abracax
and yes he was cool.
You all mocked the troll for not making sense but then 90% of the posters agreed with me?...Hmmn.
But lets see. I would have to say the roman empire for their use of Autocratic form of government.
Sorry, was too lazy to read what the thread was about. But with a title of "Republic or Empire?" how could you not think it's about Star Wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by King Solomon
yes what i was thinking, but i read the first page. maybe we should change the name to the Roman Empire or Roman Republic or put roman in front of each thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by abracax
The Empire contributed many things to the world, such as a calendar with leap years, the institutions of Christianity. The extensive system of roads that was constructed by the Roman Army lasts to this day. Because of this network of roads, the time necessary to travel between destinations in Europe did not decrease until the 19th century, when steam power was invented. Even modern astrology comes to us directly from the Romans.
This is some of the main reasons the roman empire were more successful.
Roman empire still has a heavy effect on culture to this day.
Roman roads were mostly built over roads built by the Celts. The Celts had roads all over Europe into Russia and Eurasia. They were built of wood instead of stone, however there were far more of them leading from village to village and they were far more extensive. There has been only a few that lasted, England has one such road on display that was dug up from the moors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooke ♥♥
I'm not sure modern astrology is such a boon to modern mankind. Astronomy, though, as pioneered by the Arabs and Egyptians, has been a forerunner of many important branches of modern science.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooke ♥♥
Regardless, the Roman empire did offer some outstanding contributions to mankind that do survive to this day. One of those was the concept of a Republic. The Romans influenced history when they had an Emperor AND when they were a Republic.
Yes they were built over roads previosly built by the celts, Although the roman were credited with roads that cut the time it took to travel to differednt locations throughout europe considerably.Quote:
Originally Posted by abracax
Yes astrology may not have as huge an impact on modern mankind as astronomy, But you must also take into factor that roman astrology also lead to horoscopes, a very popular method to tell personality and future plannings in modern day culture.Quote:
Originally Posted by FoxyBunny
Horscopes are for retards, so I guess thats one negetive effect of the Empire.
As for the roads, the Celtic raods didn't last. Whereas many roman roads are still being used today.
I agree that it is kinda of a dumb way to live your life by reading these things and making assumptions about the future and peoples personalities.Quote:
Originally Posted by armbarchris
But it is indeed still a important role in modern culture......
I hereby pronounce this the first Mexican Jumping Thread! The damn thing is all over the place!!!!!
well the empire was better
This post is made of win.Quote:
Originally Posted by jgarn21@eq.edu.eu
that does not make a whole lot of sense as this thread has only had 2 subjects, republic vs. empire and star wars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wildor
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Originally Posted by Brooke ♥♥
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Originally Posted by abracax
I wanted to have all the quotes up here so I could help Brooke. Yes the Celts made roads, but it was the way the romans made theirs that makes it more meaningful towards history. They use several layers of not only stone, but of this material used under the stone to make sure weeds wouldn't come up Then after this the brick was laid out so that it looked flat, but was sloped for drainage so water didn't pile up. I believe that this method is still being used today, or at least was used until we invented some new special way. I wanted to make that clear, the Roman roads were better which is why they get the credit. Though I believe it was during the waning years of the Republic that this was made, same with the Aqueducts still used, or at least seen today. The Republic lead the way for the Empire so in the end you would have to say what do you think makes something better. The Empire had 200 years of peace and prosperity, but that would never had happened had the Republic never fallen and Caesar never taken control. I can't remember what I said before, so let me leave it at this and hopefully this leaves the road thing behind, and helps Brooke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brooke ♥♥
From a review of Famine and Food Supply in the Graeco-Roman World, key quotes: "The history of the assimilation of provinces is , in essence, the monopolisation of an existing grain production" and "The Gracchian reforms are discussed in the light of their truly revolutionary nature, both in the relationship of the implications regarding the physical mechanism of collection/dissemination of supplies and the deep seated Patrician opposition to the distribution of grain to the plebs." In other words, the seizure of grain was an institutional policy, and the distribution of grain was problematic. Agriculture was a type of power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axer NZ
Additionally, this article is interesting because it suggests a number of causes and consequences of deforestation, even speculating that agricultural mismanagement was a cause of the decline of the Empire. However, it is from wikipedia, so normal caveats apply.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation_during_the_Roman_period
That said, I don't know that any of this advances us further towards a definitive answer to your opening post.:(
The Empire is better because they have the DeathStar. :D
*Continuously hits head on the keyboard continuously*Quote:
Originally Posted by Cable
The ROMAN empire, not Star Wars!