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    To me, I believe Evony may not want to stop botting...I think they feel they would lose to many players....because botting could be stopped simply by implementing a "Enter this code in the text box" to connect to the server, they have that on ALL sites to stop ****/autos from logging in.

    It would take MAYBE 1-3hrs to implement a page that displays a random code you enter....

    Hopefully I dont get suspended for expressing my views but if Evony wants to stop botting altogether, I see that as the easiest, most economical way...and even if it's not the best way, it could definitely be a start....
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    It would take 10 minutes... and they'll stop it or the paying customers will leave... wait and see.

    You sir sound like a *** and should think about not mentioning that... if I was on your server I would start farming ya... right about now.

    edit: botting is allowed and *** is not... strange...
    Last edited by Violation_s51; 02-26-2010 at 03:57 PM. Reason: *** really?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violation_s51 View Post
    It would take 10 minutes... and they'll stop it or the paying customers will leave... wait and see.

    You sir sound like a *** and should think about not mentioning that... if I was on your server I would start farming ya... right about now.

    edit: botting is allowed and *** is not... strange...
    check my posts i dont *** i hate ****, but i think Evony wont stop it because it would be easy to stop it......i dont understand why the Devs havent takin action against botting...but they took action to kick 100s of honest players off ALOT of servers

    EDIT:i dont even understand how you read my post and thought i would like botting, why would i make a post to try and stop it...smh @ the uneducated people that play Evony...
    Last edited by supaboy47; 02-26-2010 at 04:03 PM. Reason: double posting
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    Quote Originally Posted by supaboy47 View Post
    EDIT:i dont even understand how you read my post and thought i would like botting, why would i make a post to try and stop it...smh @ the uneducated people that play Evony...
    Because you're taking a tolerant approach to botting... putting in something that can be got around. That's like saying "we'll stop the cheap **** but not the good ones."

    And it is truly hard to not create spyware in your game and stop botting for a lot of standpoints... I happen to be extremely educated and have the capacity to write mouse clicker programs... I know how they work and how it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to monitor your computer without gaining privileges on your computer which I personally would never allow them to have. They have to balance customer relations and attacking the ****... they're doing it slow and smart imo.

    Secondly, you sir have lost my interest in posting in reply... your argument was starting as a smart "how could you not understand me" and moved to a slander... that shows a lack of true desire for conversation and more of a desire to just "vent" ideas... if that is the case these forums are not for you.

    Again, if you missed the point... stay on topic in your own thread or it will be locked... name calling and slander is not polite.
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    First off, no MMO game could ever stop a mouse clicker program...however they could make it extremely difficult. As I've heard most people here B-O-T not use mouse clickers so if I was saying blocking third party access by implementing a "Enter This Random Code" page would blocked third party access...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violation_s51 View Post
    Because you're taking a tolerant approach to botting... putting in something that can be got around. That's like saying "we'll stop the cheap **** but not the good ones."

    And it is truly hard to not create spyware in your game and stop botting for a lot of standpoints... I happen to be extremely educated and have the capacity to write mouse clicker programs... I know how they work and how it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to monitor your computer without gaining privileges on your computer which I personally would never allow them to have. They have to balance customer relations and attacking the ****... they're doing it slow and smart imo.

    Secondly, you sir have lost my interest in posting in reply... your argument was starting as a smart "how could you not understand me" and moved to a slander... that shows a lack of true desire for conversation and more of a desire to just "vent" ideas... if that is the case these forums are not for you.

    Again, if you missed the point... stay on topic in your own thread or it will be locked... name calling and slander is not polite.
    yes because you know a *** can autofill random numbers and letters. His idea is a good one, and in no way shows him tolerant towards botting. Why do you think so many sites use this method? Because it works for keeping out the ****, it may not be 100% effective, but it's something

    Maybe you should think instead of accusing people who have better ideas than yourself of doing something that you have no proof of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knuckles View Post
    judging from your reading comprehension im going to call BS.
    good call

    Especially since to get into college classes for computer programming, you have to PASS Reading comprehension tests
    (or at least any good colleges)
    Of course more is needed, but this alone disproves his "worth" as a competant programmer/consultant in any form of game/program

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    Quote Originally Posted by Badjr View Post
    yes because you know a *** can autofill random numbers and letters. His idea is a good one, and in no way shows him tolerant towards botting. Why do you think so many sites use this method? Because it works for keeping out the ****, it may not be 100% effective, but it's something

    Maybe you should think instead of accusing people who have better ideas than yourself of doing something that you have no proof of
    Actually I have a memory of forums that have those exact same "ASexq87ser" type images that randomly change and are semi hard for a real person to read... and they still get hit with ****... he suggested an image that can be scanned and decoded by a program (free O.C.R. programs are available if you want to play with them... Google "OCR") and turned into text. That is my point. And any decent "***" would be able to utilize that feature and decode the image into text.

    Moreover, a mouse clicker program is a low-level form of botting... a robot (term used here is in reference to automation... see Google "define: robot") a mechanism that can move automatically... is that not what a mouse clicker does? Yes, it is extremely low level... and I couldn't write one of the advanced ones myself... but that's not the point... the point of this thread (and back on topic) is that login screen with an image.

    Lastly, a captcha also adds an irritation. People like myself, who have spent time up close to their work and 15+ hours a day on their computer screens looking at them within 15"-24" separation (eyes to screen) have resulted in lower eye function... (http://www.mdsupport.org/library/cvs.html). Those graphics are not always easy for me to figure out. I would rather see a more advanced approach to the detection and a more human approach to the simple **** (aka mods watching player logs).

    On a side note, if his intention is actually true of heart to rid **** then I applaud the attempt at thinking of something; however, this would not work. I do not want to offend you in saying you sound like a ***; however, people who think of things that can easily be beat by them I have found to be background supporters in previous games... this is far from my first rodeo from a new game getting hit by botters.
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    Knuckles, your post is epic

    I would like to zoom in on this aspect of the post however

    Quote Originally Posted by Violation_s51 View Post
    On a side note, if his intention is actually true of heart to rid **** then I applaud the attempt at thinking of something; however, this would not work. I do not want to offend you in saying you sound like a ***; however, people who think of things that can easily be beat by them I have found to be background supporters in previous games... this is far from my first rodeo from a new game getting hit by botters.
    Really, so eliminating 90% of the botters on evony makes him sound like a ***? If you are able to use any kind of rational though when reading these, you might ask yourself a question "If he were a botter, then why would he be trying to make it more difficult for botters to cheat?"

    Alas, you aren't so you wouldn't ask such a logical question
    I wish there was a class you could take on such things, but alas it all lies in intellect

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    Anyone who knows anything about computers knows:

    1. Automated programs are prevalent EVERYWHERE on the internet.
    2. No method to date has been invented to perfectly thwart all automated programs.
    3. Captcha's are the BEST method thus far and prevent the MOST automated programs.
    4. Not having a captcha on your site is simply BEGGING for automated programs to be run against your site.
    5. All major internet companies utilize captchas not because they are perfect, but because they stop the vast majority of automated programs

    Sure MIT may have cracked hotmail's captcha, but can YOU? No you can't. Most automated programs run against evony's servers are home-made by amateur programmers. These programmers do have the skills to make "click-B O T S" like Violation does, but only 1% or less know how to implement OCR on regular text, let alone obscured captcha text.
    Last edited by Troops; 02-26-2010 at 05:40 PM.

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