Debate: Is man relatively Good or Evil?

[SunTzu123]

it did not say anywhere that killing animals was bad. Woman and Man did not "betray god" as you say god did not feel betrayed. Plus the actually translation of the 4 commandment is thy shall not murder.

[alkhest]

well then we all murder for a good reason and a bad reason

[LaoOmologo]

I don't think human are good nor evil. We are Humans, and we will never be anything else! (unless some people have sx with ailens) It is in human nature to be "evil" and "good". So it is with ALL types of animals. And that is final.

[imnothere]

final for you perhaphs. i dislike when others in a debate say "thats final" to me it is a statment that you are done debating the issue. which may be nessacary in person, but on a forum you may simply walk a way from a thread that you are done with.
please let those of us who are not done continue the debate.
thank you

[alkhest]

i think imnotthere is right humans arent evil nor good

[LaoOmologo]

final for you perhaphs. i dislike when others in a debate say "thats final" to me it is a statment that you are done debating the issue. which may be nessacary in person, but on a forum you may simply walk a way from a thread that you are done with.
please let those of us who are not done continue the debate.
thank you

What I meant with it was that animals are like us on that point, not that I'm done with the debate

[LaoOmologo]

because u have to kill, killing is evil hearted
im not being too religous but here goes:
when god created animals, air, the planets,stars, etc in the beginning he said everything is good ,but when he created man he also saya that it was good. -so thats good

but the evil part is that when god created man, man had to eat fruits cuz its the only 'good thing' too eat but when man and woman betrayed god he sent them out of the garden so they had to kill for surivival which was not 'good'

due to wat god said to eat anything but the tree of life

What you are saying her is that animals don't kill, but they do.

[imnothere]

i think imnotthere is right humans arent evil nor good

convince me i am right, please. i am still undecided on the voting and while my heart leans heavily one way my head and all logic leans the other.

i have always trusted my heart above everything else, and i would hate to think that it is wrong, but i am open to the possibility

[LaoOmologo]

((After my opinion, was this the best debate thread atm))

[Rodri]

Genesis3
1 Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
2 The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, 3 but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.' "

4 "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."...

21 The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." 23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. 24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side [e] of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

So the "original sin" that is the sin that caused God to cast Adam and Eve from the garden was to eat from the "tree of awareness of good and evil", or as I called it earlier, the tree of knowledge. It was not for eating the fruit of the tree of life. Mankind was kept from eating the fruit of the tree of life by God because mankind had eaten from the tree of knowledge.

If we take this story as an allegory and not as a literal recording of events, we can see that this passage of the Bible is telling us that it is our judging others to be good or evil that is what has led to the downfall of man and what keeps us from eternal life. Of course it is now in our nature to judge because we have the awareness, so it could be said that we are all tainted by the "original sin".

The ancient Egyptians had a similar belief with a story of judgement where the dead would have their heart cut out and weighed and only those with a heart lighter than a feather would be allowed to pass into Heaven. To me this suggests that only if we can overcome judging ourselves, because we all know there are things that we have done which would weigh heavy on our hearts, can we enter heaven.

I don't mean for this to sound like a religious tract. I am simply trying to make the point that philosophically, it has been long believed that the act of judging others as good or evil also causes us to be held accountable by the same standards.