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    Zowza, your presence on Evony exists for one reason, and one reason only: to give the "high rollers" that Evony caters to a person to beat up. "High Rollers" spend $150,000 PER DAY on Evony for the privilege of beating up other players.

    Whine all you want about "cheating", but the reality is, Evony is really only interested in catering to those "High Rollers", and will only address "cheaters" when those "cheaters" start to have an impact on the "Bottom Line" of cash inflow from those "High Rollers".


    IMO the "Great B0T Ban" on 2010 has little to do with "Cheating", but more to do with the fact that the people who did B0T actually had a fighting chance to stand up against "High Rollers"... which is "Bad Business" if the "High Rollers" can't continue to beat you up and take their money elsewhere where they can.

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    I would love to meet these so called high rollers who spend 150k dollars on this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Staples View Post
    I would love to meet these so called high rollers who spend 150k dollars on this game.
    Me too! I have some beautiful gold for sale, the look just like pennies but they're actually 24K I'm sure those people have enough money to blow they'd be willing to take them off my hands.

    Quote Originally Posted by zowza View Post
    Case is closed when the cheating stops.
    Tell that to Microsoft lol

    But seriously, even captchas aren't foolproof, people find ways around them (sometimes quite easily actually). I've WATCHED people bypass them using b0ts - yes captcha visual character referencing b0ts. I also understand it's a fine balance on these forums because when one person is upset, the other group is laughing at them, and vice versa.

    There will always be someone very angry with the decisions the company has made but that's just it - the company made those decisions. It's not that he's ignoring you, it's that the avenue was looked into and decided against. The reason the case is closed is because it's not our choice to make how they choose to fight cheaters, and he did awknowledge that the possibility was considered, but that's not the route they are going. Hence the thread was closed, there's no debate, the company said "no, we like this way better" for their means and customers.
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    So if i sent a PM intno them and asked to know why i was suspended if i was wrong for real they wonr reply?

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    I am seriously hoping I either read that wrong or am just mistaken.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TentPig View Post
    Zowza, your presence on Evony exists for one reason, and one reason only: to give the "high rollers" that Evony caters to a person to beat up. "High Rollers" spend $150,000 PER DAY on Evony for the privilege of beating up other players.

    Whine all you want about "cheating", but the reality is, Evony is really only interested in catering to those "High Rollers", and will only address "cheaters" when those "cheaters" start to have an impact on the "Bottom Line" of cash inflow from those "High Rollers".


    IMO the "Great B0T Ban" on 2010 has little to do with "Cheating", but more to do with the fact that the people who did B0T actually had a fighting chance to stand up against "High Rollers"... which is "Bad Business" if the "High Rollers" can't continue to beat you up and take their money elsewhere where they can.
    I have to disagree. I do not spend that much by far. I spend about 60-120 a paycheck (Every 2 weeks) and have gotten hardly anywhere. I spend money, but I have yet to be given a reason for my second suspension, and im assuming i most likely will not. I have tried somebody new and im hoping that person will get back to me with some info. However im not sure if i'll be so lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbstractAngel View Post
    There will always be someone very angry with the decisions the company has made but that's just it - the company made those decisions. It's not that he's ignoring you, it's that the avenue was looked into and decided against. The reason the case is closed is because it's not our choice to make how they choose to fight cheaters, and he did awknowledge that the possibility was considered, but that's not the route they are going. Hence the thread was closed, there's no debate, the company said "no, we like this way better" for their means and customers.
    I agree with your standpoint if someone who is part of the actual team responded in a generic broadcast.

    I believe you heard of the phrase "Silence is deafening". I have seen alot of games fail, because there is no PR personnel to handle all these concerns the players have raised. I am not stating just paying players, but those non-paying players as well. This is a vicious cycle whereby Evony seems to have create for itself, a mob mentality amongst those players who felt wrongly handled.

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    The players who feel wronged by Evony are the vocal minority.
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    Hi there.

    I'm temporarily closing this thread as it's went so far around in off-topic discussion from the OP question. Posting every two minutes just makes a thread inflated and difficult to follow.

    Dawnseeker will respond to this when he's online.

    In the meantime, this will be stickied.

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    Our overriding goal in the game is to make it fun for everyone. Within that goal are several competing objectives. In this case, two competing objectives are keeping the game fun and accessible, and preventing people from cheating.

    Both of these objectives are part of making the game fun, so we have to balance them and decide which way to tip the scale. In the case of captchas, we have to weigh the annoyance factor to all of our members against the benefit of reducing automation, such as bots and macros.

    If we do captchas too often (for instance, before every single action a user takes) then users would likely become so burdened and frustrated that they would not want to play. If we do not do them often enough (for instance, only at login) then it would be a minor annoyance without any tangible benefit whatsoever.

    If we were to do captchas then, we would have to do them often enough that they would be a substantial obstruction to smooth game play. Now that may not be a huge bother to some of our members, but they would detract from the enjoyment of our game by the community at large.

    Since we have other methods to deter cheating which do not interfere with the flow of the game, we have chosen to use those. If we feel at some point that those methods are ineffective or that more is required, then captchas or other methods may be employed at that stage.

    However, that is a decision that must be made by our game design team as part of an overall strategy to keep the game fair. We appreciate your input in generating ideas like this, and we certainly consider them because we value the feedback of our players. However, we ask that you similarly give us credit as game developers. Leaping into "solutions" without comprehensive analysis of their effect on all facets of the game can be disastrous.

    One thing that is important to note is that people will always find a way to bend the rules or profit unfairly. No matter how good our methods or preventive techniques, people are incredibly smart and will find ways to beat them. This means that we will always need to be able to detect and punish cheaters.

    As I said earlier, there is no silver bullet. Our goal is to make the game fun for everyone, and right now we don't think it is fair to annoy 100% of our players to reduce the < 1% of players who cheat.

    By the way, in the case of the previous thread, I closed it to ensure that my response would be read. I'm not trying to quash discussion (quite the opposite) but it is important that people don't just read the OP and respond without hearing both sides. My point will be made in a few pages when the vast majority of respondents won't have read this post at all.
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