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    Quote Originally Posted by ekwarpa View Post
    Have you any idea of the volume of data generated in the logs each hour of each day? The costs associated with monitoring the logs would be completely prohibitive for Evony. Nice thought but impossible to implement.

    Also ...can you imagine the trouble a techie would be in from marketing for banning multiple paying customers from a household? If I was in marketing his/her feet wouldn't touch the ground
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eolithic View Post
    Actully not really , if evony wrote a script where if it detects 2 different lord names logging in with the same I.P the script could automatically ban the said accounts .... but read the notes i wrote under the example of the log ,, and you will get wat i mean about ' WHY ' it is hard for them to enforce this rule. cus of simple mistake of error , of not knowing where or wat complex ppl may be playing the same game from you cud be playing from school for all we know , and someone you dont even know at school cud be playing also ... thus it stands to reason they can auto mate it they jsut wont because of mistake of fact in not knowing exactly who you are or where you are playing from.
    I think you helped him make his point. Maybe we should start a new thread to discuss that

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    Eolithic you are agreeing with me then? Impossible to police such an absurd rule.

    And for God's sake learn to spell....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekwarpa View Post
    And for God's sake learn to spell....
    No i will not . i love being illiterate

    discussion ended im not going to enter into a flame war .. i have stated indeed it is hard to police , but that goes without sayig a rule is a rule and it is placed there for the sole purpose of everyones benifit so people dont make 50 accounts and pump there one main acount wiht resources. ive said my peace and ill leave it at that
    Last edited by Eolithic; 04-08-2010 at 06:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekwarpa View Post
    Eolithic you are agreeing with me then? Impossible to police such an absurd rule.

    And for God's sake learn to spell....

    I have agreed with everything you have said until the last point. Lets not make a habit of criticizing people for spelling errors as not everyone speaks and or writes in Engrish. as long as the point is made and is understood leave the punktuation and sPeLLin alone

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekwarpa View Post
    And for God's sake learn to spell....
    You just lost alot of ppl's respect by such a silly statement. In general you make good points but this is just worthless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roads View Post
    You just lost alot of ppl's respect by such a silly statement. In general you make good points but this is just worthless.
    I wouldn't go that far, he still has my respect, but he is obviously new to the forums and doesn't know the etiquette

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    Having watched the multi-accounting usage on SS9, I think I can agree that people use them effectively. However the fact that you can break a rule does not make you right to do so. Sorry.

    As to real war, I expect if war was run by a corporation trying to make money it would have rules too, however real war isn't (as much), so no comparison.

    The fact that you have decided that your rules are better than Evonys on this topic, means simply that in your own local space, until detected, you can change the game rules to suit yourself.

    While it gives you an edge, that may or may not be detected, I really hope enjoy your wins against non-multi-accounting players. Since they will be as meaningless as prestige and resource exploits. All you will have proven is that you can win a game if you play by your own rules.

    So if that is not a cheat, given the defined and published game rules, how would you define cheat then? Anything that you cannot be easily caught doing?

    Hmm the IRS might also be interested in this line of thinking.

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    PS: I am not flaming anyone in particular, I AM flaming anyone that thinks they can play a game by their own rules. And there seem to be many as seen by all the bans. Society seems to have moved to do whatever you think you can get away with morality. "The system won't catch it." "Everyone cheats." Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balzdeep View Post
    Again... My point is! this is not an enforceable rule.. It is a rule that is thrown out there to try and dissuade people from exploiting the game. But there is NO WAY they can enforce this rule unless they have a camera on your computer to see who is on.. If there are 2 accounts coming from the same IP they can not possibly tell if it is this same person. the only way they can is if they are in the same alliance and enforce that part of it. The only way this can be stopped is if they included in the TOS that ONLY one account per IP is permitted. NOW with that said SPY accounts are always going to happen and always will happen and there is absolutely nothing that anyone can do about it. so why not utilize that?
    I believe a 4 account multi on SS4 got banned, so they can and do enforce the rule on multis, and it isn't just for looks. How do I know they were probably banned? I reported them a couple times (they were a 3 account multi carry-over from server 25, and picked up a 4th account after the merger).

    There is never a valid reason to break the rules regarding multiple accounts.
    But....the eternal ray of sunshine REALLY wanted to see you, so I helped brighten your day by removing the city from around you! ^.^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balzdeep View Post
    Grrrr The word Cheating implies " Consequence for an inappropriate action" The word Immoral is more appropriate here as there is, and will never be, consequences other than your higher power somehow punishing you in the after life. And since we cant punish those doing it.. lets stop calling it cheating. Unless that is how you need to justify it. At the end of the day it is happening and will never stop. whether you own an alternate account or you get intelliegence from someone else the end result is you STILL get the intelligence! So back to my original topic.. Is spying illegal? because if it is.. then it should be illegal for everyone regardless of if it is 2nd hand or 1st hand information, and if it is try enforcing that rule.
    Bazdeep, I don't want to argue semantics, but I guess I can't help myself, at least a little. Apologies in advance. Just because you don't get caught or can't get caught, doesn't make an action not cheating. The word cheating IMPLIES that consequences MAY follow IF you're caught. But consequences don't define cheating.

    Back to actually addressing your point. Consider this scenario. I have a friend or fellow alliance-mate who is willing to attempt to infiltrate a hostile alliance (even perhaps using a name change), and then provide intelligence and even subtly sabotage the enemy.

    This would be very analogous to "real life" spying. Dirty playing? Maybe. But 100% legit, and very strategic. In my book, this is not cheating at all.

    Now, on the other hand, what I assumed (maybe unfairly) that you meant was for a person to create a 2nd account, and use that to infiltrate an enemies alliance. There's a not so subtle difference here. It's not analogous to real life, where you can't create a duplicate of yourself and send him out on a dangerous mission. The game's intent is clearly for one person to never have direct control of more than one account per server. Hot spots, family members playing, etc, make it far more difficult for this to be policed. But that doesn't mean it's not against the rules, and thus cheating.

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    Personally I hate spies, but really who doesn't it hinders what your alliance is doing. To say that I do agree that spying is a big part of war and it happens. So for this to be OK in the game you would need to get a player in an alliance that is hostile without making more than 1 account on a server since those are Evony rules.

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