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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I'm not gonna waste my time reading through the myriad of replies that have come before, but here's something I think you should all know:

    First off, let me state that while I am new to Civony, I am not a "newbie" to these kind of games. However, having tried (and failed) twice thus far to start the game without asking what has been defined as "Noob" questions, I'm beginning to understand why ther world chat is so clogged with them.

    This game lacks anything of a tutorial. While it's fine for those of you who already know how the game works to say "stick to the ongoing quest and you'll be fine" or words to that effect, this is not a workable solution in practice.

    Undertand that the general public's attention span is somewhat lacking. What I've found so far, is if you do follow the quests the game frovides, you soon end up with no resources to build further, and nothing to show for it in your town except cottages.

    Fine that;s a start for the workforce maybe, but it doesn't really attact interest. What this game severely lacks is a useful in-game tutorial.

    A beginner quest, showing new players how the game works, what buildings you can build, and which ones are actually needed for play would cut down the "noob" banter to a bare minimum.

    For example, a new account has a set amount of resources already havested, a newbie package, and a few other items. At no point does the "ongoing" quests mention any of this, and while you can see your resources (if you look for them) you won't find your "newbie starter kit" unless you spend the first 5-10 minutes clicking everywhere on the page.

    This is all very well, but you must understand that a true "newbie" player will be unwilling to just click everywhere randomly, as this tends to lead to bad things. Most of who (if you even bother to read this far) will doubtless disagree with my words - after all you mananged it, so should everyone else, right?

    WRONG!

    This attitude is not one that encourages new players to stick around.

    Take for example this little gem. After (once again) discovering that following the games quests leads to nothing but draining yourself of resources, with little hope of building anything else for some time, I responded to an advertisement posted in world chat:

    (name not given to protect the guilty) "If any new players need help and assistance, mail me I'd like to help." Or words to that effect. This struck me as a pretty nice guy, so I did as instructed and mailed him with my dilema:

    (me) "Okay, so I'm new to the game. I started yesterday, and for some reason all my progress (which admittedly wasn't a lot) got wiped.

    I started again just now, and following the quest guide, have run out of resources. The quest guide is crazy, as all it says is "ass a cottage" over and over. No mention of the other buildings you can construct. No mention of what's outside the city. And no mention of the newbie package thsat I found after the facts.

    From what I see, I'm going to have to start over." Due to the limits inherent in the mail system, I unfortunately could provide no further information.

    I waited a short while, and finally I got a reply:

    (him)"yes do that" Extent of "help and advice", verbatim. Okay, so this isn't exactly genius advice, but I figure I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, and state my requests:

    (me)"That's helpful. I'd figured that part out.

    I don't suppose you have any advice as what needs to be built to start the city off? I already contacted what laughingly passes for game support and suggested a beginner quest should be added, but that'll take some time.

    So what do you suggest needs to be built to start off the first city?" Well, sure, admittedly the fine line was a little sarcastic in hindsight (although I meant it more in jest) but what can you do. Here's his reply:

    (him)"idk" Words (if you could call it that) verbatim, once again. Wow. Such I see I'm in the presence of such genius here. I mean honestly, this guy offers advice, and then has none to give. This is the extent of the help a new player can expect from the game? Back to me:

    (me)"lol

    So why did you ask newbie players to contact you if you have no advice to give? lol" Which was folled up with:

    (him)"if you dont want the advice that im giveing get lost and dont come back " So you can see, hardly any help in the first place, and folled up with insult and a sduggestion to quit playing.

    Let me get this straight. The advice of a player who portays himself as helpful to new players is essentially, not to play the game at all? Hardly advice that a new player would want to hear, don't you agree?

    My closing statement is unimportant, as it did little other than explain to this guy that what he had to offer was hardly advice, and a comment of his unrivaled genius.

    Under the laws of most forums, my quoting of these mails will likely get me banned, but I don't care. What has occured needs attention drawing to vit, and I'm hoping the game designers, or game operaters out there are reading this.

    If this is truely the extent of help a new player is going to recieve when they start to play your game, trust me; the will not be playing it for very long.

    Take my advice, and install an update. Add a beginner quest that will answer most, if not all the questions a new player will have, and for the love of god TELL them of any gifts you're giving them.

    What is the point of offering a new player a freebee to get them started, if they don't find out about it until after they've squanders all they have to build with?

    Becasue believe me, the first thing anyone wants to do when they start to play a new game, is play it. What they don't want to do is explore what every little buttom does before they've already had a go.

    If there's a quest, it's more likely than not, that they'll start with that. And if there's a tutorial, even better. The majority of the public at large understands that tutorials are designed to help, and play them.

    It isn't hard. You've already designed the game, and install a quest/reward system. Just put in one more. before the rest.

    Get them started, show them that they need to build cottages, sure. But inform them also of the other building a town can have, and the functions they perform. Explain that they'll need to build a Forester, and Mines and god-s alone knows what else BEFORE they squander everything following the quests.

    I said before I've played games simmilar. They have a tutorial, why does this one not? And yes, I know there's a forum (I'm on it, aren't I) and it's quite likely that help and advice a new player seeks in on here.

    But I'm telling you now, that quite a number of players won't even look at the forum, let alone join it. And not just because the button that leads to it is stupidly small and at the lower bottom of the game screen.

    You have hovers over practically everything else. At the very least include a hover over this button with a note that help and advice can be found therein. Well, I'm off now. I've had my say, and I'll be posting this again in it's own link.

    I don't care what happens to my account (I'm quitting, following the advice of that unnamed player if you will) but I do hope you take into consideration the philosophy behind my words, if not the temperament that's hidden within them.

    If you want your game to grow and thrive, you will. I wondered at first why so many of my neighbours were a a simillar lvl. Now I guess I understand why. They quit almost immidiately after starting.
    Rofl, Titius you are a noob by all definitions, except that at least you have good english. Anyways, I built up my empire following the quests. Asking in the world chat only for an alliance. You need to be able to figure out how to do things by yourself. Not everything will be handed to you on a silver platter.

    And wtf are you talking about the forum button is too small and unnoticeable.
    Its part of the MAIN menu, and is a graphical button. Its ****ing as noticeable as the quest or report.

    Noobs need to learn how to learn. Otherwise, you will not only fail at this game but also fail at LIFE.
    They lure you in with sexy queens but they dont deliver

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    WOW WOW WOW !!!!
    Hoo boy, this one's a doosey!!!!

    Okay folks, here we have another Noob archetype: the "I haven't done a damn thing and I don't know a damn thing, but I still know what the hell I'm talking about anyway" Noob. (Please see previous posts for definition of 'Noob' and distinction between 'Newb' and 'Noob'.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I'm not gonna waste my time reading through the myriad of replies that have come before, but here's something I think you should all know:
    Then you really should read through them; otherwise you are posting in a thread about which you have NO idea.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    First off, let me state that while I am new to Civony, I am not a "newbie" to these kind of games. However, having tried (and failed) twice thus far to start the game without asking what has been defined as "Noob" questions, I'm beginning to understand why ther world chat is so clogged with them.
    Then you decided not to advance that far in the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    This game lacks anything of a tutorial.
    If you really feel this way, then you decided not to advance that far in the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    While it's fine for those of you who already know how the game works to say "stick to the ongoing quest and you'll be fine" or words to that effect, this is not a workable solution in practice.
    Those of us who DO already know how the game works have followed the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    Undertand that the general public's attention span is somewhat lacking. What I've found so far, is if you do follow the quests the game frovides, you soon end up with no resources to build further, and nothing to show for it in your town except cottages.
    This is not so, as the rewards of the lower level quests actually meet or exceed the expenditure required to complete the quest. If all that the Routine Quest yielded to you was a few cottages, then you obviously never even advanced past the first quest.

    In order to experience and understand this, I would highly suggest following the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    Fine that;s a start for the workforce maybe, but it doesn't really attact interest. What this game severely lacks is a useful in-game tutorial.
    Again, if you actually advanced in the Routine Quest past the "build a cottage" stage, then you would eat the words "What this game severely lacks is a useful in-game tutorial."

    I would highly suggest following the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so, and get some ketchup or barbecue sauce out of the fridge; it will help you swallow those words a bit easier.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    A beginner quest, showing new players how the game works, what buildings you can build, and which ones are actually needed for play would cut down the "noob" banter to a bare minimum.
    And ALL of those things are present in the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) and you would benefit by doing so; if you have not seen them, then maybe you need a new eyeglass lens prescription, or maybe you need to just pay a little more attention to what you say before you say it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I started yesterday, and for some reason all my progress (which admittedly wasn't a lot) got wiped.
    Your progress didn't get wiped; you just accidentally logged on to the wrong server. The forum would have informed you of that, via a myriad of relevant posts. (But I guess some people don't need to read the posts to know what's going on.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I started again just now, and following the quest guide, have run out of resources. The quest guide is crazy, as all it says is "ass a cottage" over and over. No mention of the other buildings you can construct. No mention of what's outside the city. And no mention of the newbie package thsat I found after the facts.
    If this is so, then maybe your Routine Quest guide is broken (yours, and ONLY yours apparently), or maybe you have a virus or something, or maybe you are just talking about something even though you do not know what you are talking about.

    The Routine Quest allows a new player to play for a considerable amount of time before having to wait; if you ran out of resources early on, then you were not following the Routine Quest.

    If you had followed the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) which would greatly benefit you, you would not have wasted your time writing this ridiculous post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    If this is truely the extent of help a new player is going to recieve when they start to play your game, trust me; the will not be playing it for very long.
    But understand that the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) IS the extent of help that a NEW player will receive. As further quests are completed, more advanced questions will arise, and if you haven't figured them out already, then you can consult the forum.
    (But you apparently do not like the forum; I can understand, as you made it clear that you are not one to read all of the posts in a given thread.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    If there's a quest, it's more likely than not, that they'll start with that.
    Which is what most people have done.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    And if there's a tutorial, even better.
    Already there!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    The majority of the public at large understands that tutorials are designed to help, and play them.
    And the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial) has, in my opinion, and in the opinion of many others, done just that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    It isn't hard. You've already designed the game, and install a quest/reward system. Just put in one more. before the rest.
    I would highly suggest exploring the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial); it might just help you to further understand the workings of the game, as it has help so many others.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    Get them started, show them that they need to build cottages, sure. But inform them also of the other building a town can have, and the functions they perform. Explain that they'll need to build a Forester, and Mines and god-s alone knows what else BEFORE they squander everything following the quests.
    But that's what the Routine Quest does!!! (Seriously, maybe yours, and ONLY yours is broken.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I said before I've played games simmilar. They have a tutorial, why does this one not? And yes, I know there's a forum (I'm on it, aren't I) and it's quite likely that help and advice a new player seeks in on here.
    Dear God!!! It's bad enough that you are making this erroneous claim, but to make it over and over and over again....!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    But I'm telling you now, that quite a number of players won't even look at the forum, let alone join it. And not just because the button that leads to it is stupidly small and at the lower bottom of the game screen.
    ...won't look at it because they are lazy and can't read. (Which, by the way, is an important skill to have, as it is a good idea to read preceding posts in a thread before making duplicitous erroneous claims.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    I don't care what happens to my account (I'm quitting, following the advice of that unnamed player if you will) but I do hope you take into consideration the philosophy behind my words, if not the temperament that's hidden within them.
    Oh, I do pray that you will stick with it long enough to read this post!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    If you want your game to grow and thrive, you will. I wondered at first why so many of my neighbours were a a simillar lvl. Now I guess I understand why. They quit almost immidiately after starting.
    ...because they, like you, built one cottage and subsequently abandoned the Routine Quest (aka: Civony Tutorial, which, by the way, would greatly benefit you and teach you much about the game.)

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    another newb/Noob I have never played anything like this before
    The quest is a little obscure in it's directions however to my mind if something is flashing then it wants attention. oh look that has a green tick hmmm click oh bonus for me
    My first dilemma was increase population to 10000 Build cottage
    errrr How many cottages do I need ummm that many omg there's not enough space
    after another look at said cottages it shows upgrade cottage aha maybe that works.
    Yes I nutted it out took about 3 hrs to finally stop the darn thing flashing me.
    Join an alliance was the next tough thing because no where does it say you need to build an embassy to do so and many thanks to my alliance members who patiently sent emails walking me through that so yes quest still progresses
    and yes quest is the way to go
    However directions for the quest especially the important thinhs could be a little clearer
    but that's just my opinion
    and yes the forum button was easy to find
    Last edited by miss Nicki; 04-21-2009 at 05:52 AM. Reason: Further info added

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    Quote Originally Posted by Titus K View Post
    *extraordinarily over-long post*
    You do realise that you don't do each quest in the routine quest in the order they're listed, right? The whole point is that these are completely separate objectives about completely different aspects of the gameplay, and which will give you an excellent idea of how to do everything. But you have to look at the all in an order in which the can succeed, not try to get your population limit to 50k and then move on to upgrading your town hall, or whatever...

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    Micharjuna
    Your post was equally to long to even bother to read.
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    "Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself makes you fearless." - Lao Tzu

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    As a "newb" (hopefully, rather than a "noob") the only thing I found 'wrong' with the Quest was that it got quite wide-ranging very quickly. For example, I started with just a couple of options Rebuild: Cottage Building and Rebuild: Amulet, after one click I got two more outline sections: Commodity Gathering and Population Increase, with just one option in each, but after a couple more clicks I had six outline sections, some with four or five options in each.
    (As an addicted documenter, I've already got a second account going to work out exactly how the Quest expands.)

    But, yes, I've persevered and got there, and am much more choosy now about how and when I choose to complete Quest requirements. But I did overlook some really easy to complete ones for three or four days. I only once got short of resources, but I figured out a way round it, so I don't think that's a good excuse to use in the game.

    I'm more worried now about coming out of BP, as most of the future upgrades are going to be 'expensive' and take some time to complete - all that and I have to defend myself too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Godly Cookie View Post
    Ok are you serious? Who f'ing cares if some noob alt-f4 themselves. Its a browser game. A strategy game at that. Oh noes! i closed my browser and i lost... NOTHING.
    So lets have some harmless fun with these noobies
    Hey you wouldn`t like it if it was done to you, I myself have never done because I`m not that stupid to even try it, the reason being is because I already knew what these so called "cheats" did when you done them. It`z alright for you to say that you want to have fun with them but you wouldn`t like if it was done to you, in a way it is cyberbullying and that is something that I seriously can not stand at all. I hate people like you that do that, yes I have been cyber bullied my self but I have never I repeat NEVER done it to anyone else, it`z just mean and cruel and that really shows me what kind of person that you are, I mean you think it`s fun to pick on other people because they are asking questions and saying that they are noobs... yes people do need help when they first start something, maybe you should be nice and help them, I myself only started this game two days ago && I have been helping alot of people of things that I have either been told by other people or have worked out my self... maybe you should stop being a total ignorant person and help them as well.
    ------> C i N Z - B A Y B E E <------

    OH YEAH, THAT`Z ME ALRiGHT, DON`T FORGET IT B A Y B E E!!

    YOU KNOW YOU WANT ME!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bishop View Post
    Micharjuna
    Your post was equally to long to even bother to read.
    I wasted a whole box of tissues after reading this, and my psychotherapist won't pick up my phone calls. (I would insert a crying smiley here if there were one.)

    Truly, it was all for TitusK, and I realize now that it was in vain because he has realized that he is too good for this game and has abandoned us.

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    Oh give him a break, it's true! The quest is barely adequate (and the word quest is misleading,) there definitely needs to be system message waiting for you when you log on for the first time saying "Welcome to Civony, click on quests to learn things and receive rewards, go to chests to receive your newbie package, beware: speakers are an item, don't waste them etc. etc. etc." The quest does give you the basics in a round about way, but there are mistakes that you make that are entirely inevitable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oodge View Post
    ...there definitely needs to be system message waiting for you when you log on for the first time saying "Welcome to Civony, click on quests to learn things and receive rewards, go to chests to receive your newbie package, beware: speakers are an item, don't waste them etc. etc. etc."
    ?

    "Newcomers are recommended following the Routine Quest to start" appears in a balloon which points to the Quest button, not to mention that the Quest dialog is automatically opened after logging in.

    There is also the banner at the top which intermittently displays "New players are recommend to follow the Quest or to join an alliance for help."

    Quote Originally Posted by Oodge View Post
    Oh give him a break, it's true! The quest is barely adequate (and the word quest is misleading,)....The quest does give you the basics in a round about way, but there are mistakes that you make that are entirely inevitable
    A tutorial (which is exactly what the Quest is) is designed to exactly that, give a player the basics of game play. The rest you get to figure out on your own, or by visiting the forum.

    It's a tutorial, not a walkthrough.

    And yes, the word "Quest" is misleading.
    Last edited by Micharjuna; 04-21-2009 at 10:51 AM.

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