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    In another thread I briefly touched on this topic, which I plan on expanding here if you shall indulge me for a paragraph or two.

    I've been through the multiple "I was banned wrongfully" threads upon the forums, and have posted on a side that leaned towards Evony's Terms of Service and the legal stances that people claimed that they had which were total flights of fantasy. I've been now seeing multiple outcries or questionings of the 37k Archer Tower reports on a lot of these cities that were granted, ever so graciously by Evony against their own Terms of Service in the name of good Customer Service, their troops, resources and wall defenses that were taken as a penalty portion of the 3-day suspensions.

    I now propose this simple premise to each and every single player whose accounts were 'wrongfully" suspended and who has gained the benefits of having 37k Archer Towers.

    Dismantle them yourselves, and bring them back to the "legal" maximum obtainable just like everyone else.

    Why, may you ask, would I bring forth such a silly, inane premise such as this? It's quite simple really.

    This is one of the many myriad definitions of the word "Cheat":

    1. to deceive or practise deceit, esp for one's own gain; trick or swindle (someone)
    2. (intr) to obtain unfair advantage by trickery, as in a game of cards
    My conclusion is this. By keeping these excess Archer Towers, thus gaining an unfair advantage in the game of Evony knowingly for one's own gain is thus becoming the very definition of the very thing that you railed against in the first place. Loud, long and overwhelming was the cry "WE ARE NOT CHEATERS!!"

    Aren't you thus hypocritical declaring that and then keeping the excess Archer Towers?

    Something to ponder is it not?
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    Excellent post. +REP for you for sure.
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    I think there's a fair argument on the other side of the issue, based on the fact that Evony themselves put the excess AT's into play. However, I have no problem with Evony deciding it is an unfair advantage. As long as Evony notifies the compensated players that they have a week to get under the wall's "space capacity" or be flagged as a cheater.

    Evony needs to decide if the extra AT's are an "unfair advantage" or "fair compensation." I will not look down on any of these people with extra AT's as cheaters, until Evony decides officially.

    After all, they lost 3 days of playtime from an unfair suspension. They lost 3 days of amulets, production, farming, and troop training. After the suspension they had at least 2 days of "extra vulnerability" from the defense/troop deletion. Also the AT advantage is only defensive. It's not like they can use this advantage in an attack against me, so if I just don't attack that city, I don't have to deal with it. I can attack his nearby friends with normal defenses and kill the player's troops as he reinforces his friend.

    One important thing to remember, too, is that the player can't build new traps/abatis to keep 5k range unless they destroy AT's to get under the "wall defense space" capacity. So once the traps/abatis are gone, some phracts can lay waste to the AT's and he can't stop them unless he destroys enough AT's to build some traps, anyway. If they have the max 36,666 AT's, then they only have TWO traps. Send a half dozen(just 6 not 6k) scouts or warriors to clear the 2 traps and then eat the helpless AT's with a large spearhead attack.


    I'll keep my ear to the ground and see if Evony says anything on the subject. But, until they do, I have no problem with a few extra AT's.
    Last edited by Rota; 04-16-2010 at 03:57 AM.
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    I wish I had 37k AT's lol. Would make it definately worth switching to a Compact D. That would be unbeatable.

    Rota makes a good point however for most peoples defenses. You can take out their traps/abatis, and they cant rebuild them, unless they tear down their AT's. AT's dont even come into play in the standard 5k defense, so they're really not noticible unless they have a compact d.
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    There is another advantage to dismantling the excess AT's that wasn't mentioned:

    You get the resources for them, which, since you didn't build them in the first place, is another "bonus" that could then be used for other purposes (like increasing your army).

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    Here is my logic that most should understand (at least my fellow Americans)

    If the IRS suddenly deducted 9 thousand dollars from your savings claiming you cheated on your taxes, and in fact you did not. You would probably raise a pretty big fuss right? Much like the people on this forum did. You can't judge them by their hot headed tempers or even them being nieve and believing they could file suit. Obviously they were justified in being a little flaming in their posts evident by Evony's actions

    NOW

    suppose the IRS said.. "oops we messed up. Here, take 27 thousand dollars as a way of us saying sorry"... how many of you would say.. "oh no! I must give this back, it is an unfair advantage economically to my fellow American brethren"... if you can tell me with a straight face you would say that.. well you're a good liar probably

    I think instead of asking players to give them back, you would be better of asking Evony to take them back down to 18k

    by the way... I do think Evony should address this.. knowingly giving someone else an unfair advantage over others is sometimes considered cheating too..or at the very least not playing fair.. therefore Evony should practice what they preach and not cheat or play unfair.

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    Question asked, question answered..
    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyBunny View Post
    This isn't a bug. While we have full confidence in our methods of detection against those who violate our rules, we recognize that occasionally mistakes can and do happen.

    Previously, when someone was mistakenly suspended/banned, they still suffered the 50% loss of troops, resources, and wall fortifications. We agree this was unfair, and we've rectified that.

    Players who have been found to be mistakenly disciplined not only receive back what was removed, but we've given them a little bonus. This is meant to help make up for the inconvenience of lost gaming time, and is our way of saying, "We're sorry!"
    Having a few extra AT's because of being unfairly banned does NOT qualify as cheating.
    Those players can feel free to keep the extra defenses.
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    i started to read this and agree with everything rota says. if people just listened to him the forums would be a better place.
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    Rota is correct.

    I don't even understand the question.

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    Okay I guess it's nice that Evony is trying to be all "yay" customer service and give those who were wrongfully accused 38k ATs. However for the rest of us that why do i have to kill that many more archers to attack this person? When the Servers were super laggy late summer/fall last year they gave us an awesome Compensation pack, cents and like 10 ammy spins. The more logical benefit would to give these people res and some pretty prezzies, but not make their defense stronger. Defense is strong enough as it is there is no need to make it any stronger.

    All this does is bring people back to the, "ooh the cheaters got a free 3 day holiday, where can i get mine?" only this time it's "Can you wrongfully suspend me so that i can get super duper walls too?"


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    It would be more appropriate to give the people who got suspended unfairly a compensation package. The way they "fixed" this results not only in an unfair defenders advantage, but also , i imagine, a great increase on reports about those players cheating by players who don't come here on the forums (which in my belief is a way bigger group).

    I say yes to compensating the players who got suspended unfairly, but not in the likes of abnormal amounts of fortifications.

    Also i agree with the OP. The people that came complaining on the forums all declared to be against having unfair advantages, so they should keep to their word and remove them. The resources they get back will result in another nice little bonus.


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    Compensation package...In your dreams. Rota is right, the extra AT's are no big deal as they are limited to just 2 traps, spam them then there is no 5k range advantage.

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