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  1. #101

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Lets play a game. What would make you happy Napolleon?
    puppy kisses and rainbows of course. oh and children laughter.

    OR winning the battle of waterloo, that woulda been nice.

    this below is gonna be in a perfect napo world by the way and what I would do if i had influence over the game to make it broad based appeal and give + happiness to players.

    id like to see broad based item drop rates as per said above with alot of the well to do items like guidelines war horn, corsette, pen etc as item loot table. and it drop at the rates now. which as i've found is 1:10k, or 1:15k. yes i do attack this much..

    or id like to see the loot tables adjusted to something with hero hunt speakers and holy water (even more so since these are facebook giftable) to be raised higher to maybe 1:100 or 1:200. amulets at a higher rate but not so high as above items. these are important to have obtainable since any item can be gotten off them and the pen,cors,horn ,guide are not on loot table. me as a non coin buyer daily active #2 on my server player...i got none of these. only way i can get them...

    the mich script and lost armor and mats since these are permanent based gains for your empire, need to be a medium drop rate. scarce but not rare if that makes sense? im willing to discuss the hows and whys of why things should be adjusted all day long. like for instance before the nerf...i got alot lost and scripts, and occasion mat very rare tho. shows me that if overall drop rate was nerfed. that the rate is imbalanced. the 50 cent mich drops more often than a 2cent material, is not right. but i think maybe 1: 1-2k drop rate for lost and mich is goo, maybe 1:500-750 for amulet. and 1 in 250/500 for materials. of course flip a coin syndrome and u can get a few in couple attacks but thats besides point. I just know that right now im not seeing any drops dawn and im very discouraged from playing and im sure i discourage my guildmates whom log on and look up to me and whom i give advice and help them succeed in game bc of all the knowledge i pass on but from my gripes im sure they get discouraged too. i turn buying less coins.

    that material rate is main point of the OP. BTW =D


    edit: above me. as far as i know drop rates from pre-nerf. every item drops from anything. colonize/pvp fights, pve fights from valley 1-10 or npc 1-10 all had the same loot tale. maybe rates % were different but i seen everything drop from everything. except materials from other players. but the mat rates are so low, and i only attacked conquered maybe 100 players so my group focus is low there to know for sure.
    Last edited by Napolleon; 05-29-2010 at 07:53 PM.

  2. #102

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    Lets play a game. What would make you happy Napolleon?
    I'm not him, but like I said, easing up off of the difficulty of us getting somewhere, moving it from "insane" level difficulty to something like "difficult" would be welcome. PvE grinding is not fun. At the very low rates like what they appear to be now, rivaling the abyssmal medal drop rates in Age I, that is way beyond "difficult".

    There are 19 gear items. Getting to level 2 on everything is easy. There now looks to be an absolute "barrier to entry" to make just level 3 gear. Even if I were to say that I could get the materials needed for upgrading one piece of gear to level 3 every 7 days, then to be able to get an entire set of gear up to level 3 would require 7 * 19, or 143 days (approaching 5 months). That's just for LEVEL 3. 143 * 7 (the remaining 7 gear levels), is 1001 days, or approaching THREE YEARS to completely max out the gear.

    Personally, based on what these people are saying, I think it takes longer than that, more like 1 item per month maybe, at a minimum. If that's the case, that moves the time to be able to max out gear to TWELVE YEARS!

    Edit: I neglected to consider that as you gain each level, the materials needed for the next level likely increase, so a speculative (yes, it is speculative, and has to be, since you all won't disclose specifics) guess is that at the current levels, without spending money, maxing out the gear will take someone between 5 and 15 years. That's crazy...

    On your "ultra-optimistic" side, it could only take 1 or 2 days for each item, but that does not seem likely based on the results of many people, even if you wish to downplay the sample size of the people posting here.

    Again, understand you have the right to make money, but this is just a tad bit excessive...
    Last edited by neko_lord; 05-29-2010 at 08:07 PM.

  3. #103

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    So the things that would make you happy would mean making it dramatically easier to get most of our best selling items for free. This would cost us money, since if you get an item for free that you would otherwise buy, you will no longer buy it.

    How do you propose that we make up all the money we would lose by doing this? Remember, if we don't make money, the game shuts down.
    Legendary Hero

  4. #104

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    So the things that would make you happy would mean making it dramatically easier to get most of our best selling items for free. This would cost us money, since if you get an item for free that you would otherwise buy, you will no longer buy it.

    How do you propose that we make up all the money we would lose by doing this? Remember, if we don't make money, the game shuts down.
    no i said make it POSSIBLE. not easier. hit the lottery chance style of getting those items. or make them just from ten ncps or player hits etc but at a low low rate. that is not dramatically easier dawn.

    making me happy would be happy medium between old rates which were nice but a bit easy.. and the new rates which are ****. which dont exist and are mind numbingly LOW. so low that maybe if you played the game and seen it would agree with me, bc right now the drop rate is garbage.


    it dont cost you money. people will always buy, hell i know coiners galore on my servers buying adv tele historic hero capping greedy *******s but, they support game that i dont so whatever. plenty ppl buy and go for the easy way out. the people that spend money for shortcuts instead of farming thousands of attacks like us free players do.

    the people who buy will always buy even if stuff drops. they go for the quick short fast easy way out. those are your World of Warcraft mentality players that like the quick easy casual game. like things handed to them, altho here they pay for it. the grinders like me...get punished and unhappy and quit. never to buy.ever. the coiners also never see the drops, even more so since they grind and farm less. they get discouraged and see less game return on their investment (ROI) they dont get fun or enjoyment outta the short time they are on playing, or any ROI for all that actual money they spent.


    youll make both free players and the payers happy when they get to see drops, even if they are the crap drops like speaker, hero hunt etc thats already in the loot system. it makes ppl happy to see stuff drop. and they keep playing.

  5. #105

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    The drop rate until a week ago was low (I had gotten exactly 4 material drops). It was so low that I'm sure people were spending coins to get the specific items they wanted. It would have still taken MONTHS - if not YEARS - of heavy grinding to max my hero gear without paying cash. I'm fine with this. At least drops happen if you play hard and keep at it. Most players would spend coin before spending months grinding. I'm not sure the pre-adjustment rate is really cutting into Evony's bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FWIW View Post
    The drop rate until a week ago was low (I had gotten exactly 4 material drops). It was so low that I'm sure people were spending coins to get the specific items they wanted. It would have still taken MONTHS - if not YEARS - of heavy grinding to max my hero gear without paying cash. I'm fine with this. At least drops happen if you play hard and keep at it. Most players would spend coin before spending months grinding. I'm not sure the pre-adjustment rate is really cutting into Evony's bottom line.
    exactly FWIW, same mentality as me as i stated above. you understand. evony does not understand however that their biggest paying customers are not grinders and farmers like us. they go for the quick easy way out and buy coins to do so. just bc stuff drops, as it did then... did evony see huge reduce in ppl buying? was the same if not more. ppl were happier then overall pleasant gaming community, now its a pit of vipers, people are ****ed.



    from an interview: Concerns about the initial article

    The major clarification Gifford and Yarbrough wanted to make was that the game is free to play, despite concerns and accusations that enjoying the game's full content is impossible unless you're willing to shell out some cold hard cash. According to Yarbrough, this perception is inaccurate; he used his own experience with the game as an example. Before he came to work for Regan Mercantile, Yarbrough was an active Evony player and has never spent a dime on the game; he is a member of the top-ranked alliance on the server he plays on and was so before he joined the ranks of Regan Mercantile.

    "In Evony, you can do everything in the game without ever paying. Much of that is based off of the random nature of the game," said Yarbrough. "In many battles, you get awarded random items which are things you would normally pay for—or that you would pay for from a convenience perspective—but many of our highest-level players have never paid for the game... you can take any aspect of our game... and say, 'well, this is what I want to do, but I haven't gotten that item randomly yet, so the game is forcing me to pay for it,' and that's just not accurate... there's nothing that you have to do that you have to pay for."

    That said, Yarbrough also admitted that items and abilities in the game are purchased by players for the sake of convenience; "we're selling that convenience," he candidly stated.

  7. #107

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    Quote Originally Posted by Napolleon View Post
    no i said make it POSSIBLE. not easier. hit the lottery chance style of getting those items. or make them just from ten ncps or player hits etc but at a low low rate. that is not dramatically easier dawn.

    making me happy would be happy medium between old rates which were nice but a bit easy.. and the new rates which are ****. which dont exist and are mind numbingly LOW. so low that maybe if you played the game and seen it would agree with me, bc right now the drop rate is garbage.


    it dont cost you money. people will always buy, hell i know coiners galore on my servers buying adv tele historic hero capping greedy *******s but, they support game that i dont so whatever. plenty ppl buy and go for the easy way out. the people that spend money for shortcuts instead of farming thousands of attacks like us free players do.

    the people who buy will always buy even if stuff drops. they go for the quick short fast easy way out. those are your World of Warcraft mentality players that like the quick easy casual game. like things handed to them, altho here they pay for it. the grinders like me...get punished and unhappy and quit. never to buy.ever. the coiners also never see the drops, even more so since they grind and farm less. they get discouraged and see less game return on their investment (ROI) they dont get fun or enjoyment outta the short time they are on playing, or any ROI for all that actual money they spent.


    youll make both free players and the payers happy when they get to see drops, even if they are the crap drops like speaker, hero hunt etc thats already in the loot system. it makes ppl happy to see stuff drop. and they keep playing.
    All items already drop, and the chance is much better than hitting the lottery. Sorry you don't believe that, but we monitor the drop rates and everything is dropping at the correct rate. What you're asking for is that we increase the drop rate. Doing this costs us money, so I'm asking how we make that up.
    Legendary Hero

  8. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    All items already drop, and the chance is much better than hitting the lottery. Sorry you don't believe that, but we monitor the drop rates and everything is dropping at the correct rate. What you're asking for is that we increase the drop rate. Doing this costs us money, so I'm asking how we make that up.
    no not everything drops. saying so shows ignorance of going ons ingame dawn. just like you said nothing changed even though us the actual players said so, alter on when you inquired you found out something did change. players dont lie. especially when its effecting us and we get vocal about it. you think we are making up lies conspiracy theorys about the stuff in game thats bothering us???

    i listed what drops in game. and thats what drops. period. did you read my entire post about what makes me happy, from your replies i say you did not do so.

    no the chance is not better. if i had money to go play the lottery id win on scratch offs and lotto tickets more so than i get loot in this game. period.

    i told you again in another post how and why you make money, and how that would continue. then supported that with a quote from a interview with Benjamin Gifford of Evony, LLC, and Walt Yarbrough, the vice president of operations on the East Coast for Regan Mercantile.

    sigh

  9. #109

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    So the things that would make you happy would mean making it dramatically easier to get most of our best selling items for free. This would cost us money, since if you get an item for free that you would otherwise buy, you will no longer buy it.

    How do you propose that we make up all the money we would lose by doing this? Remember, if we don't make money, the game shuts down.
    Again, not him, but I reckon it would make things "dramatically easier" if you reduced the time needed to make the gear upgrades by 1/3rd from my prior estimates. I mean, going from taking nearly 15 years down to 10 is a walk in the park. Downright enjoyable in fact....

    You should be able to achieve all of the "promotion" and "gear" game content for free within some sort of reasonable timeframe. Someone else stated 4-6 months. I think that's reasonable. I'd even be willing to move that out to 6-8 months. And by this, I mean dedicated gameplay, not just 1-2 hours a day...

    As I've stated elsewhere, it took me about 4 months of time to make Prinzessin on the older medal drop rates. Those 4 months were not of just casual, 1-hour-here-1-hour-there gameplay, but solidly being online for 8, 10, 12, and sometimes 16 hours a day. That amounts to the same or more effort than a traditional "full time" job (40-hour work week).

    Trivializing that effort as being "too easy" is, well, insulting to me, and I'd imagine it would be insulting to many players as well.
    Last edited by neko_lord; 05-29-2010 at 08:47 PM.

  10. #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawnseeker View Post
    So the things that would make you happy would mean making it dramatically easier to get most of our best selling items for free. This would cost us money, since if you get an item for free that you would otherwise buy, you will no longer buy it.

    How do you propose that we make up all the money we would lose by doing this? Remember, if we don't make money, the game shuts down.
    I think all these people would like it if you went bankrupt But magically kept running the game for us. Its not to much to ask dawnseeker,

    Please immediately stop eating buying clothes, walk to work, work out of a rubbish bin, Don't feed evony worker's families. (they can get a night job to support our game playing)

    Please reduce the amount of servers and increase the lag (less money spent on servers)

    While were at it put a cap on maximum bandwidth spent so after 3 days no one can login because each server only has a Gig of bandwith allocated per month.

    Please employ monkeys to program as they work for just about free and it will give everyone more bugs to moan about because you should be perfect.

    My sons laptop cant get a good resolution to optimally play evony age II could you also please send me and everyone else a free laptop with at least 1600 x 1200 resolution.

    Ohh and an "I WIN" button. comon is it to much to ask?

    I dont pay to play, if i could i would, cant remember what item i really really want but there is 1.

    The rest i get by farming so far everything i have needed was eventually supplied to me by free from evony

    You can keep moaning now.

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