65th Annyversary of Victory over Nazis

[KOOPS95]

What about open diplomacy? I doubt Hitler would have even been able to launch an invasion on the Americas. The Soviet Union and Britain's military would have probably dealt a nasty blow to the Nazi's fleet.

Truth. Very truth.

Note: It's difficult to launch an amphibious invasion when all you've got are submarines.

[Skirata]

Truth. Very truth.

Note: It's difficult to launch an amphibious invasion when all you've got are submarines.

Unless the subs have like... legs or something.

[KOOPS95]

Unless the subs have like... legs or something.

In RA3, there are tesla coil-armed boats with crab legs.

[Skirata]

In RA3, there are tesla coil-armed boats with crab legs.

Why couldn't WWII be like RA3?

[armbarchris]

Ok, here's what I don't get.
Skitara, you obviously hate this war and probably every country on the planet as well. So why are you trolling so damn hard agaisnt a thread that is celebrating the END of that war?
I honestly don't get it.

[BrotherhoodUK]

As I said before, the Allies (Britain and France) only fought at the lasts minute. They weren't heroes because they didn't try to stop the problem when it started. They waited until Poland was invaded to finally decide war was the only option.

Oh, and you'd be prepared to go to war, remembering the bloodbath that was WWI, would you? Everyone in Britain, France, the Commonwealth and, hell, even Germany remembered WWI.
You've got the benefit of hindsight. They did not.
You know what happened in WWII. They did not.

Of course, you'd say 'Well, they should've gone to war anyway, despite what happened in WWI.', but how the hell would the population support you? Rioting, protests and maybe even armed violence from the army would've erupted all over the country.

They thought they were saving the world from a war.

You would've as well.

[DCJerboa]

As I said before, the Allies (Britain and France) only fought at the lasts minute. They weren't heroes because they didn't try to stop the problem when it started. They waited until Poland was invaded to finally decide war was the only option.

:| Skirata... I agree that Britain should've acted quicker in the Second World War, but that is the decision of governments. However, respectfully, to state the Allies were not heroes is, I feel, completely unfair. You should limit such statements to the governments in question, so as to not include those doing the actual fighting, that gave up their life fighting in and for another country's safety. In fairness... the decision to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops to war, and therefore virtually guarantee thousands of deaths of sons, brothers and fathers, is not one that can be made quickly or lightly.

Quicker action was needed... but those who fought were unquestionably heroes, in my mind. I question the sanity of anyone as informed as yourself, who disagrees.

[Skirata]

Ok, here's what I don't get.
Skitara, you obviously hate this war and probably every country on the planet as well. So why are you trolling so damn hard agaisnt a thread that is celebrating the END of that war?
I honestly don't get it.

Of course I hated the war! I hated what caused it and I hated what transpired during it.

"Are bombs the only way of setting fire to the spirit of a people? Is the human will as inert as the past two world-wide wars would indicate?"
~Gregory Clark

Oh, and you'd be prepared to go to war, remembering the bloodbath that was WWI, would you? Everyone in Britain, France, the Commonwealth and, hell, even Germany remembered WWI.

Of course, I'd be prepared for a war. The day I would have learned of Austria's accession would have been the day I would have expected countries to act. I would have expected other diplomatic means to have occurred before hand though (like when they were building up their military and arms so there would have been no reason for war).

And of course Germany remembered the previous war. The end results of WWI caused WWII.

Of course, you'd say 'Well, they should've gone to war anyway, despite what happened in WWI.', but how the hell would the population support you? Rioting, protests and maybe even armed violence from the army would've erupted all over the country.

They thought they were saving the world from a war.

You would've as well.

The population ended up supporting the war. Propaganda was used to favor one side over the other. Germany had newspapers support the Nazi regime while the Allied governments did similar things (although not as obvious).

You've got the benefit of hindsight. They did not.
You know what happened in WWII. They did not.

Doesn't matter. They made a treaty that suppressed the German people. If they were going to enforce it like it was intended the war would never have happened. If the Treaty of Versailles wasn't signed the war would have had no reason either.

:| Skirata... I agree that Britain should've acted quicker in the Second World War, but that is the decision of governments. However, respectfully, to state the Allies were not heroes is, I feel, completely unfair. You should limit such statements to the governments in question, so as to not include those doing the actual fighting, that gave up their life fighting in and for another country's safety.

Quicker action was needed... but those who fought were unquestionably heroes, in my mind. I question the sanity of anyone as informed as yourself, who disagrees.

True, the soldiers fought and died for their countries and that is the most honorable thing one can do nowadays (I respect the Nazi soldiers as much as I respect the Allies. Anyone who can sacrifice their lives for something they consider greater is what we should all try to be.)

I meant no disrespect towards those who fought in the war. My anger is concentrated towards the governments that perpetrated the crimes that started this war.

Also, I have questioned my sanity for years, DC.

In fairness... the decision to mobilize hundreds of thousands of troops to war, and therefore virtually guarantee thousands of deaths of sons, brothers and fathers, is not one that can be made quickly or lightly.

The decision was hard, but it was a decision that had to be made. Seeing that Nazi Germany was the monster child created by the Allies after WWI, it was their duty to stop anything before it could happen.

[Modlol]

Yeah. It's all cool since since the Soviet Union helped defeat Nazi Germany. I mean, what's a few more million people dead (Soviet Union killed more people than Nazi Germany. /lern2history)?

You can't honestly say the Soviet Union was a good guy. They only bothered to fight because they were attacked. There was no "hero" faction as everyone fought only because it they were either scared because of what they had previously done (World War I) or were just selfish.

Germany got screwed over by the Treaty of Versailles. With an already destroyed economy, they were forced to accept the balme of the war and pay reparations to all Allied countries. Italy also got shafted. After the war, the promises made by the Allies were not even upheld (new land).

/foresees trolling because of different opinions

Say what you will but Hitler was a godsend to German. He rebuilt their economy, instilled national pride, and provided a common goal. After the failure of the Treaty of Versailles, Hitler was doing what his people wanted. He was fixing their country.

"Germany will either be a world power or will not be at all." - Adolf Hitler


As I said before, the Allies (Britain and France) only fought at the lasts minute. They weren't heroes because they didn't try to stop the problem when it started. They waited until Poland was invaded to finally decide war was the only option.

America was too content itself to even get a rat's ass for the outside world. Already facing the worst economic crisis in history, America feared going through another war. Let's face it, if Japan never attacked, they may have taken another year to enter the war. By that time, the Allies may have never won.




^Implying that the Germans aren't humans

What about open diplomacy? I doubt Hitler would have even been able to launch an invasion on the Americas. The Soviet Union and Britain's military would have probably dealt a nasty blow to the Nazi's fleet.

How about Japan how did it attack Pearl Harbor.... First they get wealth of all the nations they captured they make very very advanced ships and later would have first made navy attack from the sea making a base in united States and later improving the front and defenses of the base......

[KOOPS95]

Why couldn't WWII be like RA3?

i kno, riet?