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    Default Get your act together Evony

    The amount of bugs occuring on the age 2 servers is unreal..

    People losing colonies without even a fight?
    Troop building reseting at maint?
    Attacks and supressions freezing causing you to lose your armies?
    The list is almost endless..

    What the hell is going on, our alliance already has a few players leaving; probably even more if these are not corrected soon enough.

    I mean I'd have posted it in the bug report section but chances are it'd have been denied like all of my past bug report attempts.

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    There are far less bugs now than there were when na1 opened. I'm happy that they are being fixed at this rate, but some are annoying.

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    I've explained the bug reporting process several times, but I'll do so again.

    When you post in the bug reporting section, it goes into a moderation queue for our staff to sort through. We read each one and ask some questions:

    1) Is this a bug report? Most posts in there are not. They are random posts, complaints, alliance recruitment attempts, OMGIGOTPWNZRD rants, etc. If it IS a bug report, move on to #2.

    2) Does it have information needed to assess the bug? Most do not. They say things like "My city vanished! Give it back!" Um...what city? Where? Which server? When did this happen? What was going on at the time? Did you get a battle report? An error message? If it actually has information needed to find the bug, move on to #3.

    3) Do we know about this bug? Has it been reported already? Only if this is new to us do we post it through. We don't need 372 identical reports of the same bug, and merging them all is vastly time-consuming.

    If your bug reports didn't make it through, your best bet is to verify that you were actually reporting a bug. One. Not several in one post. Please also verify that you are giving us information to identify the actual problem. It would also help if you read through the other posted bugs in there to ensure you aren't posting a duplicate bug. If you are sure you've done all those things and it still doesn't get through, then you can rest assured we are aware of the bug and have it on our list to be addressed.

    Unfortunately, it's a bug reporting forum. It isn't for discussion, or asking questions, or giving your opinions. Please feel free to use other forum sections for those activities.

    For the question you ask here? We're fixing bugs every day. We post about them frequently here, on facebook, and via twitter. There are many more that we don't post about because they are rather technical. For example, if the devs tell us that "we corrected a render error that was caused by a value integer being set at 1 instead of 0" then no...we don't post that. I promise that we have a team that works very hard, and very long hours, resolving issues every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyBunny View Post
    I've explained the bug reporting process several times, but I'll do so again.

    When you post in the bug reporting section, it goes into a moderation queue for our staff to sort through. We read each one and ask some questions:

    1) Is this a bug report? Most posts in there are not. They are random posts, complaints, alliance recruitment attempts, OMGIGOTPWNZRD rants, etc. If it IS a bug report, move on to #2.

    2) Does it have information needed to assess the bug? Most do not. They say things like "My city vanished! Give it back!" Um...what city? Where? Which server? When did this happen? What was going on at the time? Did you get a battle report? An error message? If it actually has information needed to find the bug, move on to #3.

    3) Do we know about this bug? Has it been reported already? Only if this is new to us do we post it through. We don't need 372 identical reports of the same bug, and merging them all is vastly time-consuming.

    If your bug reports didn't make it through, your best bet is to verify that you were actually reporting a bug. One. Not several in one post. Please also verify that you are giving us information to identify the actual problem. It would also help if you read through the other posted bugs in there to ensure you aren't posting a duplicate bug. If you are sure you've done all those things and it still doesn't get through, then you can rest assured we are aware of the bug and have it on our list to be addressed.

    Unfortunately, it's a bug reporting forum. It isn't for discussion, or asking questions, or giving your opinions. Please feel free to use other forum sections for those activities.
    I call.

    You just made a lot of claims with not a little bitter of anger, condesension and dismissal. I bet you an objective view of the situation would find that the truth of the matter is far different than the "developer as victim" state you are attempting to present.

    Have you ever heard of an entire alliance that can't attack another? Was there detailed information provided? Do you feel this is a bug serious enough to allow into the bug forum?

    Have you ever heard of the indestructible archer towers on L10s? Was there detailed information explaining exactly how it is not just unlikely but impossible for no towers to go down based on the attacks in question? Since the specifics are not fully understood (only happens some of the time), it might have been nice to compare notes; something that would have occurred in a thread. Do you disagree?

    Want me to go on with lots of things that are bugs, were reported, had facts and not emotion and ARE NOT IN THE BUG FORUM?

    Things like the hanging blue bar and the lost patrols didn't pop up for days after they were reported. I know this because I reported some and I am sure there were many long before me. Funnily enough, the threads that do get the nod and are listed are often light on facts and far more emotional than those that don't in many cases.

    You were just extremely rude to the player base. Your position is also in error. This is not a bug. However, I did include a claim, substatiation and - trust me - it is a very serious problem.
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    Good post Foxy.

    But sometimes it helps when people see just a small line like "We are working on it".
    Doesn't take much time to type and people get the fealing something is done.
    Ignoring often increases complaints and gives more spam because people feal like their problems isn't being handled.
    Quote Originally Posted by samkillian View Post
    My wife says "do the dishes", and i'm out in the backyard pretending i don't hear her. My boss yells over "Where's my report", and i disappear down the hall to chat with people. But evony tells me "loading, please wait", and i somehow sit here staring at my screen waiting.

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    But FOXY the avenues you have presented to us do not work and when we use the forum to ask why you lock and delete our threads?
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    I completely agree, 500k cav and archers VANISHED from my city and I have reported it, but not got much back in response apart from "thank you for reporting a bug" This happened 3/4 days ago now, and still not heard anything back.

    I am the host of the Number 1 Alliance on server 128, and my members refuse to spend any money untill this is sorted out.

    It would really help if someone could just reply to my Bug Report and tell me what is going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxyBunny View Post
    I've explained the bug reporting process several times, but I'll do so again.

    3) Do we know about this bug? Has it been reported already? Only if this is new to us do we post it through. We don't need 372 identical reports of the same bug, and merging them all is vastly time-consuming.

    If your bug reports didn't make it through, your best bet is to verify that you were actually reporting a bug. One. Not several in one post. Please also verify that you are giving us information to identify the actual problem. It would also help if you read through the other posted bugs in there to ensure you aren't posting a duplicate bug. If you are sure you've done all those things and it still doesn't get through, then you can rest assured we are aware of the bug and have it on our list to be addressed.

    Unfortunately, it's a bug reporting forum. It isn't for discussion, or asking questions, or giving your opinions. Please feel free to use other forum sections for those activities.

    For the question you ask here? We're fixing bugs every day. We post about them frequently here, on facebook, and via twitter. There are many more that we don't post about because they are rather technical. For example, if the devs tell us that "we corrected a render error that was caused by a value integer being set at 1 instead of 0" then no...we don't post that. I promise that we have a team that works very hard, and very long hours, resolving issues every day.
    When you receive these bugs reports and immediately close them out, how do you prioritize things then? From my perspective, it seems that you address the smaller bugs and are not fixing the larger ones. These are the ones that most people seem to complain about and seem to go unfixed. I see Dawnseeker's updates and a lot of the time I think, I didn't even know that was a bug. I have not seen or heard anyone complain about that. Then my suspicions are confirmed when I see people making posts saying exactly what I was thinking.

    Why are you posting bug reports on twitter or Facebook? Isn't this the home page? It makes no sense that you update a Facebook page when the game leads us to this site. Having to go to three different sites to find out bug information is totally stupid.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigFart View Post
    Good post Foxy.

    But sometimes it helps when people see just a small line like "We are working on it".
    Doesn't take much time to type and people get the fealing something is done.
    Ignoring often increases complaints and gives more spam because people feal like their problems isn't being handled.
    I have said this so many times and Evony doesn't want to listen. They wouldn't get near the amount of complaints if they actually kept people informed.

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBear View Post
    I completely agree, 500k cav and archers VANISHED from my city and I have reported it, but not got much back in response apart from "thank you for reporting a bug" This happened 3/4 days ago now, and still not heard anything back.

    I am the host of the Number 1 Alliance on server 128, and my members refuse to spend any money untill this is sorted out.

    It would really help if someone could just reply to my Bug Report and tell me what is going on.
    I have complained about this same bug. Foxy has stated that they are unsure what is causing this and do not have a solution. There is a thread dedicated to this in the bug reports. You're not the only one to have their troops nuked. It is over a month old and I really hope they start putting some more effort into this and get it fixed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sirmontas View Post
    But FOXY the avenues you have presented to us do not work and when we use the forum to ask why you lock and delete our threads?
    That's not why your threads get locked/deleted. Every thread that has been locked has specifically broken the rules, even if we've been too quick to edit it. What you see is people re-posting similar but toned down versions, screaming for justice, and essentially spamming. If you break anything located in the forum rules here: http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=615 Your thread can be edited/moved/closed/merged/removed/etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by JuBear View Post
    I completely agree, 500k cav and archers VANISHED from my city and I have reported it, but not got much back in response apart from "thank you for reporting a bug" This happened 3/4 days ago now, and still not heard anything back.

    I am the host of the Number 1 Alliance on server 128, and my members refuse to spend any money untill this is sorted out.

    It would really help if someone could just reply to my Bug Report and tell me what is going on.
    I wouldn't spend my money on troops until it's sorted out either. It's a known issue, one they are spending a lot of time on trying to determine the root cause so they can fix it. I wouldn't take the chance until they announce a fix, you are absolutely justified (and smart) for not doing so.

    As Foxy said on the last thread about this here: http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?t=122923&highlight=reset
    They are aware it's a huge issue and are working on it. I've been here over a year and watched the "big issues" take time but most of the player-impacting ones are either fixed, or something is put in place to bypass it.

    Quote Originally Posted by jobu55 View Post
    When you receive these bugs reports and immediately close them out, how do you prioritize things then?
    Since you can track your ID tags in helpspot, and see their comments, questions, etc, it would be pretty silly for them to just close it out. If you notice your helpspot ID is instantly closed out, PM Valkirah and if you get no response, Thalin, and so on. They need to give reasons, replies, ask questions, or fix the issue before closing it, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by jobu55 View Post
    From my perspective, it seems that you address the smaller bugs and are not fixing the larger ones. These are the ones that most people seem to complain about and seem to go unfixed.
    Smaller bugs are easier to fix and take less time. That's why they are small bugs. The bigger fish require entire servers to go down for a days or even weeks in some games. People would flood Evony with hate mail over it, more crashing after the fact due to the swarm of angry people just wanting to get back on. Bigger bugs need to be done in the background, tested, figured out with as little disruption as possible to the majority of people so it has even less impact than taking the whole server (or all servers) offline when there's not a guaranteed fix.

    Quote Originally Posted by jobu55 View Post
    I see Dawnseeker's updates and a lot of the time I think, I didn't even know that was a bug. I have not seen or heard anyone complain about that. Then my suspicions are confirmed when I see people making posts saying exactly what I was thinking.
    Most of his posts I get PMs about, and tickets are sent in. But if it's only a "small bug" or mild irritant, people don't complain as much about it, some don't even notice. I haven't seen a bug fix personally that has ever been new news to me, and I'm surprised a lot

    Quote Originally Posted by jobu55 View Post
    I have complained about this same bug. Foxy has stated that they are unsure what is causing this and do not have a solution. There is a thread dedicated to this in the bug reports. You're not the only one to have their troops nuked. It is over a month old and I really hope they start putting some more effort into this and get it fixed.
    You are correct, and I hope they get it fixed soon too!

    http://bbs.evony.com/showthread.php?...ighlight=reset
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbstractAngel View Post
    Smaller bugs are easier to fix and take less time. That's why they are small bugs. The bigger fish require entire servers to go down for a days or even weeks in some games. People would flood Evony with hate mail over it, more crashing after the fact due to the swarm of angry people just wanting to get back on. Bigger bugs need to be done in the background, tested, figured out with as little disruption as possible to the majority of people so it has even less impact than taking the whole server (or all servers) offline when there's not a guaranteed fix.
    Several comments:

    First, this is not in what you said, but what seems to be apparent - Evony wants nice, neat, concise reports that can easily be categorized / dumped into a spreadsheet. If this is indeed true, then they should give up on the bug reporting in a forum format and go to a web form that is preloaded with exactly what they want in the way they want it, leaving only a small area for players to freetext.

    I've worked as a developer in a Fortune 500 company with people reporting issues that had no experience in formulating concise "Test Case-worthy" records of issues. I also was separated from the person reporting the issue, at least at first, by a help desk staff who also had creative ways of phrasing issues and would not ask for additional details while on the call. Some knew enough to do that, but most did not.

    I understand, perhaps more than most, that figuring out the problem based on the problem reporting coming in can be a guessing game. However, there are more professional ways of handling things rather than giving the appearance of bit-bucketing reports. No, reports might not be just tossed out, but without any kind of feedback to the person, it can certainly come across that way.

    Moving to a tracking system, like what helpspot supposedly is (I've never tried it, so I don't know how it looks in relation to what I'm used to, BMC Remedy / Action Request System), would give customers more "warm fuzzies". Not posting a report, even if it was a duplicate, without any response back to the customer that their issue had already been reported, leaves a "cold shoulder" feeling...even if it is not intended (employees are really busy).

    ...and yes, the customers (internal...fellow employees) where I worked DID start asking for updates on issues, and at the time that I left, we were working on getting a status update area on what we were working on that was visible to the entire company. No, you don't have to go into highly technical details, and no, you don't have to list EVERY issue that's out there, especially if it is highly technical and was not reported via a customer but was discovered by the development team. All you need to do is provide a small level of a progress indicator, with terms such as "Open - Unassigned" for new reports...that would move to "Open - Assigned", then "Open - Researching", then would branch to something like "Closed - No Issue / Working as intended" or "Closed - Duplicate Report"...or "Open - In Progress" (meaning coding was being done)... etc...

    Second, as to major bugs that require the server going down, etc... :

    Those issues should have been sorted in Beta. That is what a Beta is for. This product was released to the public as "Final" when it was really barely a true Beta in terms of quality.

    I'm sure I'll "win friends and influence people" this way...but these are all valid critiques that do not use foul language and have basis in real-world business environments. If it is "rude" or "arrogant" to state how things would work much better if it was better organized and if the company provided feedback to customers...then I don't know what to say really...

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