View Poll Results: The Greatest European Commander/General from 1600-1800

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  • John Churchill

    0 0%
  • Johann Tserclaes

    0 0%
  • Albrecht Wallenstein

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  • King Gustavus Adolphus II

    1 3.85%
  • Prince Eugene of Savoy-Carignan

    0 0%
  • Marshal-General Turenne

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  • Marshal-General Hermann-Maurice Comte de Saxe

    1 3.85%
  • King Charles XII

    0 0%
  • King Frederick II 'the Great'

    7 26.92%
  • Napoleon I Bonaparte

    17 65.38%
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Thread: Favorite Commander/General Within the Context of Europe: 1600-1800

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    Of the individuals listed I would say Napoleon, come on the man conquered half of Europe, was beaten back, and than was able to convince to French people/army, to take another crack at; now that’s some leadership, but I think Alexander I of Russia deserves a place on the list, it was he who first turned back the French army and he who put together the Holy Alliance, and he and massively expanded Russia, and unlike Napoleon when Alex conquered you, you stayed conquered, now I know he falls a little outside the time line, but I also think the presence of Napoleon on the list expands the time frame to include the Napoleonic Wars.

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    To EduLeics I: 1) Napoleon from the years 1796-1797 C.E had accomplished great and glorious objectives: the establishment of the Cispadane Republic, Transpadane Republic and the Cisalpine Republic in Northern Italy as under the hegemonic control of the First French Republic. [The Italian satellite states/buffer zones were governed in a similar manner to the French government, a Five-Man Directory as the executive branch alongside with a legislative assembly.] Napoleon as Commander of the Army of Italy, repulsed the Piedmontese and the Austrian Habsburgs from almost all of Northern Italy; Piedmont, Savoy, Genoa were directly annexed to France whilst the Lombardy region was under the hegemonic control of France. [The Venetian Republic was still under Austrian Habsburg rule as in accordance to the treaty of Campo Formio. Napoleon I Bonaparte fought in such battles from 1796-1797 of Montenotte, Millesimo, San Michele, Ceva, Lodi, Bassano, Rovento, Mondavi, Arcole, Rivoli, Mantua, etc.

    [At a later conflict, some territories were lost in the War of the Second Coalition with the Russians under the command of Alexander Suvorov defeating the assembled armies of France under the generals of Joubert, Macdonald, Massena. However, when Suvorov was switched from the Italian theatre of operations to the Helvetian/Swiss zone, the Allied effort lost its offensive power whilst the French counterattacked.]

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    http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Alexander_I_of_Russia

    Technically it was Aleksandr Pavlovich Romanov although Alexander Petrovich is often subbed in, and Alex road victorious though the streets of Paris, I don't know I'd say France lost some territory.
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    If I'm not mistaken, it was Alexander's men who kept retreating during Napoleon's conquest of Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milonius View Post
    If I'm not mistaken, it was Alexander's men who kept retreating during Napoleon's conquest of Russia.
    It was a tactical retreat. The further they drew back, the less supplies they left Napoleon's men, the more they were battered by the Russian winter. The thinner the supply lines were stretched.
    Eventually, these tactics forced Napoleon to retreat, or be destroyed.

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    Sort of a cheap, yet effective tactic. Napoleon lost over 400,000 of his original 600,000 men to starvation and the cold weather.

    EDIT (Correction): "The Armée had begun as over 400,000 frontline troops, but in the end fewer than 40,000 crossed the Berezina River in November 1812, to escape." ~ Wikipedia
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    That same tactic of slash and burn retreat was used in WW2 and was just as effective. Leave nothing for the enemy, but let them advance faster than their supply lines can.

    Russia has a long history of using this tactic and it always works. You would think at some point, someone would learn and use it to their advantage instead of falling for the trick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abracax View Post
    That same tactic of slash and burn retreat was used in WW2 and was just as effective. Leave nothing for the enemy, but let them advance faster than their supply lines can.

    Russia has a long history of using this tactic and it always works. You would think at some point, someone would learn and use it to their advantage instead of falling for the trick.
    A certain Austrian, once leader of Germany (Mr. A. H.....) was a big fan of Napoleon I, he, according to the stories, had read all Napoleon's books/reports/etcetera. In this light it is highly surprising that Mr. A.H. totally and utterly failed at the same way Napoleon did in his attempt to conquer Russia...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Milonius View Post
    Sort of a cheap, yet effective tactic. Napoleon lost over 400,000 of his original 600,000 men to starvation and the cold weather.
    Actually a strategic withdrawal must be very skillfully handled or it can very quickly turn into a rout. Napolean Bonaparte was a big fan of artillery and relied heavilly on artillery. This was his strength and his weakness.
    This is also why his invasion of Russia was such an abysmal failure.
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    Marshal-General Hermann-Maurice Comte de Saxe.

    He's a marshal, general, hermann and maurice called Comte de Saxe.

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