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    Quote Originally Posted by Valin View Post
    (Valin ponders weather he should post this after what happened last time)

    Archers are not the supreme attack unit people make them out to be. Every unit in the game has a viable and useful counter. Swordsmen are NOT very useful against archers despite what the description says, just like rockfall is not effective against seige. The only thing that matters are the stats of each unit. What counters range. SPEED!!!

    ******Major Spoiler That No One Ever Notices Despite Battle Reports In The Forums******

    How To Defend Yourself Against What 99% Of Players Attack With.

    The typical attack force consists of massive amounts of archers with warriors/swords as meat shields. This is considered to be the best attack force because NO ONE builds up the proper counter. Get ready for it....Calvery!!! Battle reports all over the forums support the fact that calvery eats up archers like hay by ignoring eveything else. People don't build them because they suicide themselves agaist abatis. They are not an offensive unit but a defensive one.

    Now, bring on the naysayers...
    this makes perfect sence

    bud i dont like it:P
    i mean defencive unit? it spoils the image!


    A agree that you cant win with just archers, but what i mean is that all you need with them is some force to deley the incoming troops. like if you have 5:1 archersikeman all pikeman will die but very few archers will

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    Quote Originally Posted by RottenMind View Post
    A agree that you cant win with just archers, but what i mean is that all you need with them is some force to deley the incoming troops. like if you have 5:1 archersikeman all pikeman will die but very few archers will
    Not true. Unless the attacker's archery is higher than the defender's horseback ridding, calvery will be in range of the archers in the first round. The pikes will be in range too, but calvery targets archers FIRST. Battle reports in the forums prove this as archers get slaughtered while pikes take no losses.

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    Fact is swordsman train way faster than archers , you can support more swordsman than archers in 1 town , so the ratio you have given of 1000 vs 1000 is not evened out considering the time it takes to train each unit .
    And most battle won't have only a 1vs1 scenario , so what you posted has absolutely no relativity because the chance of something like that happening is low . You would have to be crazy to send archers alone to attack.
    The game is about combination .

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    So what would you use to counter 1 swd, 1 pike, 1 archer, 1 calvary, 99,996 cataphracts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aerose View Post
    So what would you use to counter 1 swd, 1 pike, 1 archer, 1 calvary, 99,996 cataphracts?
    Archer towers, pikes, abatis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valin View Post
    Archer towers, pikes, abatis.
    numbers please?

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    Well I would use my normal fortification setup of 1-2k abatis, rest AT's, with about 30k or so pikes. Should be enough for a win. Due to catas slower speed, you archers can also stay and fight. More abatis would be better, but most people don't use that many catas so I don't build more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bravetarget View Post
    your point is invalid -- youre implying they are indeed ineffective against archers, because they have to run at them.
    "Perhaps it would confuse them if we ran away some more."

    Quote Originally Posted by RottenMind View Post
    i mean defencive unit? it spoils the image!
    Not really; have you ever noticed that it's the cavalry that comes to the rescue in the nick of time? They're not out there leading the charge; they're there when you need help!
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    Okay, okay; I'll take rep points if you like my answer. If you laugh at my answer, though, I demand them!

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