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    Quote Originally Posted by ElNiNoSt0rM View Post
    Yes, I understand what it is.

    I was, however, unaware of that random and completely illogical fact of heroes. Did the devs just decide to do that for fun?

    What I WILL contest is how base is calculated for an HH. They have a max level of 150, but all start at level 30. Resetting them to level 1 just doesn't make any sense. Sure, the idea is to compare them to a normal hero of the same level, but that is completely skewed given their max level is 50% higher. They are already entirely even at level 30. If you're making an Excel chart for ONLY historical heroes (which are all 30 to start) then why not list the base as what you see when capped? Maybe there's some silly reason why this is not done.

    Also, what good does it do to list their base before this mysterious ~10 points gets added? Why not just list the number you see when you cap them from an NPC? Seems to skip an entire step to me, but oh well.
    Man you are missing the bus...not just riding...nevermind

    Lets break this down barney style for you

    Example 1 HH

    Stats when capped- "Jason the Great" Pol 52 Atk 104 Int 80 Leadership 120 @ LVL 30

    Applying Holy Water results in base stats of- Pol 40 Atk 97 Int 70 Leadership isnt impacted by holy water so its still 120 but a base of (90 or 91 depending on how you want to read base)

    You then are able to apply the points in the categories you wish and since i like to attack...i apply all 29 points to ATK making the stats POL 40 ATK 126 Int 70

    The reason we want a list of base stats is because the base stats for hist heroes are the same for every server and it is the only true marker for how good a hero can be... due to the level cap and gear cap and star cap. It enables you to target who you want to capture not just do it at random...

    and yes Jason the Great is fictional...i could give you an example of Woldere the great too...if you need another break down
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllDayXL View Post
    Man you are missing the bus...not just riding...nevermind

    Lets break this down barney style for you

    Example 1 HH

    Stats when capped- "Jason the Great" Pol 52 Atk 104 Int 80 Leadership 120 @ LVL 30

    Applying Holy Water results in base stats of- Pol 40 Atk 97 Int 70 Leadership isnt impacted by holy water so its still 120 but a base of (90 or 91 depending on how you want to read base)

    You then are able to apply the points in the categories you wish and since i like to attack...i apply all 29 points to ATK making the stats POL 40 ATK 126 Int 70

    The reason we want a list of base stats is because the base stats for hist heroes are the same for every server and it is the only true marker for how good a hero can be... due to the level cap and gear cap and star cap. It enables you to target who you want to capture not just do it at random...

    and yes Jason the Great is fictional...i could give you an example of Woldere the great too...if you need another break down
    Thank you for the entirely unwarranted childish quips. Really, they were cute.

    Now onto your actual post. Nothing you said I fail to understand. I get it, trust me I do. I just don't understand the need to dance around these different definitions of the word 'base', that's all. I could see you making a case for applying holy water to the base stat, since every hero would be affected differently by that (based on their other 2 unimportant stats), but this level business is just silly to me. If they're all level 30, then list their loyalty at level 30 (since all of them are uniformly 30). Listing their loyalty at level 1 (as if to compare to an ordinary hero) just seems irrelevant to me since their level cap is naturally higher anyway.

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    Yes, everyone else is wrong and you're right ElNinoSt0rM.

    Now let's all switch to ElNinoSt0rM's system of listing heroes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ElNiNoSt0rM View Post
    Thank you for the entirely unwarranted childish quips. Really, they were cute.

    Now onto your actual post. Nothing you said I fail to understand. I get it, trust me I do. I just don't understand the need to dance around these different definitions of the word 'base', that's all. I could see you making a case for applying holy water to the base stat, since every hero would be affected differently by that (based on their other 2 unimportant stats), but this level business is just silly to me. If they're all level 30, then list their loyalty at level 30 (since all of them are uniformly 30).
    Either way you are missing something and its obvious from all the posters/players who have tried to help you gain the knowledge...not sure what your missing...but dont derail this thread when obviously many before you have seen the value...and truly understood....so if you have questions please send them in private messages to players you think can help you understand...and do not post any more about this theme in my thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woldere View Post
    Yes, everyone else is wrong and you're right ElNinoSt0rM.

    Now let's all switch to ElNinoSt0rM's system of listing heroes.
    I never suggested that. It's called discussion. You should check it out sometime before posting "facepalm.jpg" (I did that too, and then I turned 15).

    @Allday

    Not derailing the thread. I don't disagree with the majority of your system, in fact. I made my point clear as day but instead of explaining the actual reason (because I don't think there really is one), you just tell me I'm "missing something" and that I ignore all advice. Just tell me why if ALL historical heroes are level 30, why we need to adjust them to level 1 for leadership purposes? You will never find an HH that isn't level 30. We've established this. You WILL find a normal hero that starts lower (obviously), but what is the point in comparing the two? They don't share level caps. Apples to oranges, but I digress. It's a good spreadsheet, though. Helped me capture Baeda Maryam.
    Last edited by ElNiNoSt0rM; 06-25-2010 at 01:04 PM.

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    got me

    base stats are fixed, found stats is not... base stats is at lvl 0 which means a hero at lvl 30 have 30 points randomly assigned to all 3 stats (Pol, Att, Int)...

    u can have like thousands possible found stats combination if attribute points is assigned randomly for H-Hero. What we want is something constant.

    that is not the only reason we applied holywater on heroes, as we want to maximise their MAIN stat... for example an H-hero with base stats 50 95 50... we would want to put all his 30 point to the Att stats since that is his best attribute thus maximizing his potential...

    and you're suggesting, posting the stats after applying holywater n then placing all 30 point to the main stat? since they are found at lvl 30 n should be listed at maximised lvl 30 stats view?... by ur definition, you shud post Baeda Maryam at 81+30...which is 111, but u didnt... u said base stats as 92...lol...dont try to work ur way out of this XD

    still the last few post made my day.. still right now

    Jason the Great and Woldere the Great LOLOLOLOL

    btw, new h-heroes posted in the other thread
    Last edited by zzaim298; 06-25-2010 at 03:59 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zzaim298 View Post
    got me


    still the last few post made my day.. still right now

    Jason the Great and Woldere the Great LOLOLOLOL
    In all actual terms both would be the 100/100/100/200 base type heros....

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    Elizabeth I
    Pol:98
    Att:32
    Int:90
    Leadership:73
    All in all not a bad hero

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    Rurik

    POL: 51
    ATT: 85
    INT: 63
    LEAD: 110

    (All base: -30)

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