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    I am starting to compile data on leadership, and had a very small sample of an attack, I was wondering if anyone else had a good thread on it, search didnt find much.

    3 attacks on a level 8 NPC with 3 heros, one with high atk, one with high leadership, and one in between both of them, all launching the same attack, here are the results:

    The attack on level 8 NPC
    warrior 9500
    scout 150
    Pike 150
    Sword 150
    Archer 88500
    Xports 1550

    In the attack all scouts pikes and swords died as expected.

    Hero: Queen
    ATK - 268.14
    Leadership - 78

    Losses (city hero 16)
    Warrior 2887
    Archer 3649


    Hero: random recuit
    ATK - 254.14
    Leadership - 81

    Losses (city hero 4)
    Warrior 2474
    Archer 4264


    Hero: HH Carravagio (painter converted into ATK hero)
    ATK - 198.14
    Leadership - 125

    Losses (city hero 48)
    Warrior 1897
    Archer 4499



    No conclusions can be drawn really since we really don't know the stats of the heros in the cities we are attacking...
    we can assume that city hero level = leadership score however.

    With a historic hero who is lagging the other hero's attack scores by 56 and 70 respectivley you would expect the losses taken to be significantly higher
    they were not

    125 leadership - 48 city hero leadership = 77 delta in leadership compared to target
    78 - 16 = 62 delta for queens atk
    81- 4 = 77 delta just like histroic hero

    but casualties are still very similar... this sample is tiny but to me there is good evidence that leadership is as at least as important as atk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mcbeefy View Post

    With a historic hero who is lagging the other hero's attack scores by 56 and 70 respectivley you would expect the losses taken to be significantly higher
    they were not
    Not true... for instance...attacking a npc 10 in the same fashion with a 250 atk isnt much different then a 450 atk....sometimes better sometime worse...your beyond the point where atk level matters it seems

    Your on the right track...try different samples... in my opinion...

    This is an ungoing debate for alot of people...it needs to be solved

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    why cannot Evony tell us about leadership stat? Its a game mechanic, if its important to the game, Evony should explain it clearly enough so that players have a better idea why it matters.
    The thought on the forums seems to be that leadership affects the percentage of the troops your army leads using the heroes other stats, mainly Attack. So if your hero is lv.50 with 50 leadership then half his army will use his attack stat and half will not.

    while it makes sense in some ways it seems a bit overkill for heroes as HHs will automatically be SUPER powerful as many start with high leadership.

    Same goes for Mount, some says it increases the battle speed of troops as well as the speed on map march. but its not clear if thats true (battle speed i mean). Has anyone in Evony confirmed these new feature effects clearly.
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    I like it better that they don't just tell us what it is

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    I agree, I think evony should tell us. I'm trying to look for info, I want to increase my leadership if I can, I'd like to know what it means. It scares me a bit now. This unknown skill is keeping me back from alot of things.

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    Lol you people are so lazy. Am I the only one who actually enjoys testing/experimenting to find out unknown factors in the game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woldere View Post
    Lol you people are so lazy. Am I the only one who actually enjoys testing/experimenting to find out unknown factors in the game?
    I do too! I will work on it sometime when i'm bored.

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    Allday and me be workin on a table hopefully some of you's will post info for it. I really want to get it figured out sick of losing due to it now

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    No offense but if you want to test the effect on leadership why are you using varying attack skill other than to attempt to equalize the losses this will make the intepretation a litte blurry. Equip/Unequip hero gear to get all 3 heroes to the same attack skill or level them. Then find yourself the camp you want to hit. Send the exact same troop counts with each hero like you had , allowing the barb camp to regen to full defense in between hits and you will see the effect of leadership. Note that if you capture the original defending hero you will have to start over so that all 3 hit the same defending hero. While you attempted to maintain a similar difference in leadership vs lvl that is not what is altering the effects. Leadership enahnces the capability of the hero to strengthen the troops with their attack skill. Just as an example lets say 1 point in leadership = 1% effectiveness using the hero's info you have above

    Hero: Queen
    ATK - 268.14 Hypothetical Effective Attack Skill 268.14 x 78% = 209.15
    Leadership - 78

    Losses (city hero 16)
    Warrior 2887 Losses similar to hero 2 due to higher lvl defending hero and higher effective attack on your hero but still relatively close
    Archer 3649


    Hero: random recuit
    ATK - 254.14 Hypothetical Effective Attack Skill 254.14 x 81% = 205.85
    Leadership - 81

    Losses (city hero 4)
    Warrior 2474
    Archer 4264


    Hero: HH Carravagio (painter converted into ATK hero)
    ATK - 198.14 Hypothetical Effective Attack Skill 198.14 x 125% = 247.68
    Leadership - 125

    Losses (city hero 48) Similar total casualty rate howerver your defending hero is much stronger showing a large rise in the effectiveness of sent troops with lower attack
    Warrior 1897
    Archer 4499


    If you test this all out with same attack skill and defending hero you will see how drastic the difference can be. Especially on HH attack skill heros over 130 leadership when acquired.. Hope that helps ya understand it or interpret it easier but in my experince I would say the leadership can be even more important than attack so long as your not sending a total worthless skill hero out enough so that lvl 5 barbs can be hit with 200 ballista for 0 losses in under 100 rounds if your skill / leadership and techs are right.
    Last edited by Luciedio; 06-21-2010 at 01:25 AM.

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    You should really be testing on lvl 10's... There almost no real combat happening when you send 100k troops at a lvl 8, 95% of the losses your seeing in those test are from traps, and logs. I'm kinda thinking you could send a lvl 50@150 attack and still only see 4-6k losses.

    I really think leadership is bigger mod. then attack, granted I haven't done many to compare, but my first 10 I took I lost like 36k archers on spearhead, this was with an 80ish hero(can't remember the attack), 2nd 10 I took was with a lvl 100@205 attak, with 7k archers lost, lastnight I just cap'd a 10 lastnight and used my queen,(partly a mistake, but when I noticed, I just let it go thinking it wouldn't be too bad, and she would get some nice xp) she is @lvl 85 and 230 attack and I lost 16k, (all my attacks on lvl 10's I scout for lvl 1-10 enemy hero) I do farm lvl 10's usally once, or twice a night and I always use my lvl 100 hero's for it, and I'v nvr lost 16k, that being said, it could have just been fluke, or bad luck losing that much with queen, I won't be testing to see if it was luck b/c I'm not intrested in losing more troops then I have to, but from the few times I'v hit lvl 10's with underlvled hero's I'v seen bad results.

    But again, if you are gonna keep testing... test on a lvl 10, I mean really 8's have what 15k war, like 7k pike, 5k sword and like 3k archer, and a whole 2500 AT's, the only combat that happens there is one round when the enemy archers, and AT's can take shots at your 85k archers.... (think it's fair to say if you used a lvl 50@150attack the enemy archers/AT would still only have one round with 85k archers shooting back at them) Just take a look at your losses, and then look at how many traps/logs, and DT's you set off, I think you'll find the numbers pretty close.
    Last edited by Swesal; 06-21-2010 at 01:59 AM.

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