I see your point... Like I was saying earlier, the Italians were extemely useful in supporting the German, so long as the Germans were indeed there to be supported. It seems lik everything we say comes back to the simple issue of:

If the Italians had stayed and fought longer, the Axis could have won the Italian campaign.

Am I right?

(And by the way, I kind of like the idea of the EMP thing getting discussed, as One Second After has a lot to say on the subject... Anyone want me to make a new thread for it?)